US and Israel agree boycott plan (2 Viewers)

[S1M0]

To be quite honest i've stopped caring, but i figured i'll post something up.

The US and Israel will not work with a new Palestinian unity government unless it recognises Israel, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has said.

He was speaking as US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice prepared for talks with Mr Olmert and Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas.
Mr Olmert said he and US President Bush agreed on their position on Friday.
Hamas, the largest group in the proposed Palestinian unity government, refuses to recognise Israel.
Mr Olmert said a Palestinian government that failed to accept conditions laid down by the quartet of the US, EU, Russia and UN "cannot receive recognition and there will not be co-operation with it," Reuters news agency reports.
The quartet has called on the Palestinians to recognise the state of Israel and give up violence against it.
"I spoke about this on Friday with the president of the United States, and I can tell you the Israeli and US positions are completely identical," Mr Olmert said in televised comments, Reuters says.
The EU, US and Russia have maintained an economic boycott of the Palestinian government since Hamas won legislative elections last year.


Ms Rice is holding separate meetings on Sunday with Mr Olmert and Mr Abbas before the three are due to get together on Monday.
After arriving in Israel, Ms Rice said it was an important time to advance the vision of a Palestinian state.
Mr Olmert's comments will add to doubts about whether the US will engage with a new Palestinian unity government.
Speaking after talks with Israel's Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, Ms Rice said now was "an important time to talk about how we advance the vision of two states living side-by-side in peace and in freedom".
But she and Ms Livni both stressed that any new Palestinian coalition government must recognise Israel, renounce violence and accept past peace agreements.
Many observers wonder whether the two embattled leaders, Mr Olmert and Mr Abbas, are strong enough to take the difficult steps towards peace, says the BBC's Bethany Bell in Jerusalem.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6372633.stm


Just goes to show that peace isn't what the U.S is really after.

 

[umop 3pisdn]

Because peace will be possible while the Palestinians don't recognise Israel?

 

[Valeu]

peace will be possible when the illegal settlements in the west bank are finished, when the IDF allow residents in Gaza to go about their daily affairs in peace and when Israel stops destroying Palestinian civil infrastructure.

Justice first, then peace. One follows the other.

 

[withoutaface]

peace will be possible when the illegal settlements in the west bank are finished, when the IDF allow residents in Gaza to go about their daily affairs in peace and when Israel stops destroying Palestinian civil infrastructure.

Justice first, then peace. One follows the other.

How about when militant Islamic fuckjobs stop destroying buses full of Israeli school children?

 

[Valeu]

waf, Their actions are reprehensible, but the fact is they do what they do in opposition to the occupation. It is up to Israel's leadership to decide whether to be in a state of perpetual war against terrorists, or to adress the injustices that exist.

The Islamists could stop terror attacks, but that wouldn't change the fact that the occupation is illegal and is the source of most of the Palestinian's problems.

 

[umop 3pisdn]

That's not actually true. The Palestinians kill each other in greater numbers than the Israelis kill them. The source of their problems is their inability to stop blowing themselves up.

Either way, getting out of the west bank wouldn't help when they don't recognise Israel at all; Israel would have to cease to exist. And you'd probably have to hand back Spain, and maybe the Balkans too.

 

[ZabZu]

I agree with the US and Israel by saying a Palestinian govt that recognises Israel and renounciates violence must occur before serious negotiations. However, Israel must also stop expanding settlements, which it cotinues to do.

Groups like Islamic Jihad and to a lesser extent Hamas will continue to attack Israel until its destroyed. They dont believe in a two-state solution, they want all the land.

 

[Aryanbeauty]

Seeing how Hamas and Fatah fighters killed eachother in their attempts to control palestine, one wonders who really are power hungry LOL. These palestinians have no hesitation in killing their fellow palestinians when it comes to having political power. All these miseries and sufferings of palestinians are actually brought unto themselves, that is why no one, i said no other country really give a fuck about them. I remember how palestinian blew up USAID people who went to Gaza to give scholarship to Palestinians so they can study in US Universities. These beggars don't even have the ability to differentiate the one who feed them and their enemy.

 

[nathan71088]

However, Israel must also stop expanding settlements, which it cotinues to do.

Sorry, I don't know as much as most about these settlements. When you say expanding do u mean enlarging existing ones or creating new ones?

Also, I'm not really an expert on existing or planned settlements so I was just wondering what are the names of the ones you speak of.

 

[ZabZu]

Sorry, I don't know as much as most about these settlements. When you say expanding do u mean enlarging existing ones or creating new ones?

Also, I'm not really an expert on existing or planned settlements so I was just wondering what are the names of the ones you speak of.

At the moment Israel is both establishing new settlements and enlarging existing ones. I dont know the names of many settlements but ive seen a map of the West Bank and they are scattered all over it.

 

[Nebuchanezzar]

One day there'll be peace, probably when Israel and its citizens get the fuck out of where they don't belong.

 

[nathan71088]

One day there'll be peace, probably when Israel and its citizens get the fuck out of where they don't belong.

You mean get out of the internationally recognized country of palestine?

And also, where could I find a copy of this map?

 

[Nebuchanezzar]

My apologies to you then sir. I guess the fact that it's not on a map made up by bullshit dickheads post-WWII means everything. I guess the fact that Palestinian land was just magically given to Israelis after WWII means everything, I guess that the fact that land has been constantly stolen by greedy-ol Israel year after year, starving Palestinians and sending them further and further into poverty means jackshit. I guess that international irresponcibility and aggression on the part of Israel means nothing, because the international community (read: US) supports Israel. Yeah, maybe the map says one thing, but logic and fair play says an entirely different thing.

 

[umop 3pisdn]

I guess the fact that Palestinian land was just magically given to Israelis after WWII means everything

No!

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It was never Palestinian land to begin with. The people would be better described as Jordyptian or some variant of that.

One day there'll be peace, probably when Israel and its citizens get the fuck out of where they don't belong.

The trouble with that is that for most of the moon coons that will be the same day that Israel and its citizens are driven into the ocean or nuked.

 

[Nebuchanezzar]

I'm sure that if Israel had have acted chummish, not invading land willy nilly and air striking neighbouring countries from the beggining then they wouldn't be in the mess that they are now. You know, considering that they have the US on their side, always have, the others wouldn't have had much to keep attacking Israel with. What's driving them now is the mentioned aggression. That's the way I see it anyway.

 

[nathan71088]

My apologies to you then sir. I guess the fact that it's not on a map made up by bullshit dickheads post-WWII means everything. I guess the fact that Palestinian land was just magically given to Israelis after WWII means everything, I guess that the fact that land has been constantly stolen by greedy-ol Israel year after year, starving Palestinians and sending them further and further into poverty means jackshit. I guess that international irresponcibility and aggression on the part of Israel means nothing, because the international community (read: US) supports Israel. Yeah, maybe the map says one thing, but logic and fair play says an entirely different thing.

I'm sure that if Israel had have acted chummish, not invading land willy nilly and air striking neighbouring countries from the beggining then they wouldn't be in the mess that they are now. You know, considering that they have the US on their side, always have, the others wouldn't have had much to keep attacking Israel with. What's driving them now is the mentioned aggression. That's the way I see it anyway.

You seem to be very passionate about this argument. I was just trying to go down the avenue of hard copy proof and deduce whether there actually was a solid outline of where Israel was occupying Palestine because you did say that there will be peace when Israel (and I quote) "get the fuck out of where they don't belong".

You seem to believe very much that this is a war about land. I just want to ask if you heard of the camp david (2000), the peel partition (1937- pre WW2 I add), or the recent disengagements from gush katif? If you haven't don't worry because naturally, as on many past threads, we could start an argument going over past policies for land but it would get us no where. I state these so that if you do not know what they are you could look them up or if you want I can explain them to you. But do not wish to argue over land because like I said, many other threads have already done this and I don't believe this is the sole problem.

Please explain what you mean by "international irresponcibility and aggression on the part of Israel means nothing". As in, what do you mean by international irresponsibility?

Also, when you say, "land has been constantly stolen by greedy-ol Israel year after year, starving Palestinians and sending them further and further into poverty means jackshit", are you suggesting the disputed territories is what is sending...sorry, what has added to palestinian poverty?

 

[banco55]

One day there'll be peace, probably when Israel and its citizens get the fuck out of where they don't belong.

Israel isn't going anywhere so if they are going to make peace they are going to have to make peace on that basis.

 

[ZabZu]

You know, considering that they have the US on their side, always have, the others wouldn't have had much to keep attacking Israel with. What's driving them now is the mentioned aggression. That's the way I see it anyway.

You obviously dont know much about the Arab-Israeli conflict. The conflict was a dimension of the Cold War. Russia supplied the Arabs (mainly Egypt and Syria i think) with arms and the west (US and western Europe) supported Israel.

 

[HotShot]

Why should Palestine recognise ISrael? When Israel will not recognise Palestine? lol wtf.

Why should Palestine recognise Israel? When Israel continues to hold onto the occupied territories.

Why should Palestine recognise Israel? when ISrael continues to blow up Palestinians - falsing claiming them to be militia?


There is no reason for Palestine to recognise ISrael at all. FOr Israel there is every reason to recognise the Palestinan government -end all the sucide bombings,

Israel is the one in power, and it is up to them to begin a peace movement. I dont know why America is involved - (but then we all know why )

 

[S1M0]

You obviously dont know much about the Arab-Israeli conflict. The conflict was a dimension of the Cold War. Russia supplied the Arabs (mainly Egypt and Syria i think) with arms and the west (US and western Europe) supported Israel.

Don't know about Syria, but Egypt wasn't sided with either Russia or America. We were socialist, not capitalist or communist. But we weren't capitalist, so Britian used Israel to fight their war for them when we took control of the Souis Canal.

Figured i'll bring it up.