Violence erupts in Sydney over anti-Islam film (5 Viewers)

[Peccadillo]

Ok first of all this is not a personal thread for us to talk about avatars (no I'm not a supporter of communism and socialism - I just read into the guy and I saw good values).

Obviously that was a move from you in order to get the spotlight off those quotes I put up. I find it hilarious that you are quoting wikipedia BUT HAVE NO FEAR LOL, il still debate you...You quoted An Nisa...THE VERY VERSES that state that men are more powerful than women, therefore they should be their guardians, is that really a smart move? Women have rights today...they can have their own homes...their own cars. I dont think they are waiting for your Bedouin prophet to give them permission anymore.
Now for the people that are actually buying this "beating your wife LIGHTLY" crap...please please please be realistic.

NO its my turn to pose a question to you that I want you to answer in front of everyone in this forum with SCRIPTURAL reference. WHAT IS THE PUNISHMENT FOR A WOMAN THAT COMMITS ADULTERY ACCORDING TO YOUR RELIGION OF PEACE; ISLAM???

I am not a scholar of Islam. Nor am I qualified to answer your question. So on this forum, in front of everyone I cannot offer a universal opinion on this. I can however answer your question personally; 1. There is no unilateral punishment as far as I am aware. 2 I happen to be married - If my wife commited adultery I would try to forgive her if she expresses remorse and leave her.

I think your intended question is "what is the worst punishment for the worst degree of Adultery under Sharia Law".. again - Im not qualified to answer that question.

Anyway now THIS is truly off-topic. Back to above on freedom of speech which is an applicable topic to this protest

EDIT: Btw I quote wikipedia and get questioned on the validity of the source yet people link religionofpeace.com and it doesn't raise any eyebrows? Lolzi. Wikipedia is a perfectly fine source. This is not an academic discussion. Also in regards to your avatar - I didn't mean to deflect your question - I was just hoping you'd give me the answer I wanted (which you did) to highlight the irony in the fact you "see good" in the values of a known mass murderer/executioner.

Also - ftr in response to your slight against Islam and its women's rights.. My wife has her own car - which I paid for + and I pay the rent in OUR home? Shes cheering and I dont get your point. She is also educated with a degree in ART.. What I ask? Your wife has a degree in art? And shes muslim? OMG stop the press! She is also more knowledgable than me in Islamic studies (among other things). She is also probably much smarter than you.

 

[7eleven]

I completely agree what peccadillo has raised about the so called western "freedom of speech". Putting religion aside( that is whether Islam supports this or not), if i was to go to an Anzac parade with a group(10) of muslims, and chant slurs like "you're soldiers are in hell", will i not be confronted and persecuted??

 

[moll.]

Just to let people know, 5 minutes ago I was subject to western Freedom of Speech at it's very best. This post is very much ON TOPIC - I will complain if this get's removed because I don't see how it is fair for people to suggest my ideologies are sick, support pedophillia support murder - then the opposite side of the coin gets removed because it reflects badly on the antitheist mentality...

Admin removes disgusting Anti-Islamist propaganda meme posted by *someone* of which I cannot detail. I kind of wish Admin left that so people could see what kind of a person he is.
ADMIN removed it after I had seen it, I posted a refute to the meme - pointing out its irony, it's abhorrent nature and it's idiocy.
The meme was not funny - It looked like it has been created by an EDL member seems only intent on inciting xenophobic hatred.

I think it is unfair it was removed.. Admin told me it's because it was off-topic however I would suggest it was no more Off Topic than much else of what has been discussed in this thread. I believe it was removed simply because it was a step too far and because it add's fuel to the idea that there is much content out there which is purely to incite hatred through an anti-islamist agenda - yet some hide behind "oh he was just trying to be funny".

This exemplifies the flaw with western notions of freedom of speech/expression - its conditionality - its ambiguity. If you want to promote freedom of expression let *someone* express his sentiment! Let him express his view and let people make their own judgment on that view! Why not I ask? "Off topic?" I doubt that very much.

Freedom of speech isn't overly applicable on a private forum. It's only applicable to public spheres. This is not a public sphere. This space is owned by iStudy, who own BoS. The forum owners have a right to block whatever material they like. It's a forum, not a nation. If you don't like their rules you can easily use another forum. Just like you can't use freedom of speech as an excuse to barge into my house and put up Islamic/socialist/nationalist/[insert-ideology-here] propoganda on my walls because you think that you have the right to. I have the right to censor what is part of my private property. What I don't have the right to do is block that opinion being voiced elsewhere. If it happens that 100% of forums and websites individually decide to block that video from being posted, then tough shit, democracy rules, find a new way to broadcast it in the public sphere.

 

[moll.]

I completely agree what peccadillo has raised about the so called western "freedom of speech". Putting religion aside( that is whether Islam supports this or not), if i was to go to an Anzac parade with a group(10) of muslims, and chant slurs like "you're soldiers are in hell", will i not be confronted and persecuted??

Plenty of nationalist idiots probably would confront you and it would probably get violent. Because they don't understand the concept of freedom of speech either. No-one would be charged with anything as long as it didn't get violent (including the threat of violence) and you weren't making a public nuisance of yourself by blocking people travelling down Anzac Pde from going about their business.

 

[7eleven]

Plenty of nationalist idiots probably would confront you and it would probably get violent. Because they don't understand the concept of freedom of speech either. No-one would be charged with anything as long as it didn't get violent (including the threat of violence) and you weren't making a public nuisance of yourself by blocking people travelling down Anzac Pde from going about their business.

Well with the confrontation of "national idiots", wouldn't it get violent? That's what im trying to imply.

 

[Peccadillo]

Freedom of speech isn't overly applicable on a private forum. It's only applicable to public spheres. This is not a public sphere. This space is owned by iStudy, who own BoS. The forum owners have a right to block whatever material they like. It's a forum, not a nation. If you don't like their rules you can easily use another forum. Just like you can't use freedom of speech as an excuse to barge into my house and put up Islamic/socialist/nationalist/[insert-ideology-here] propoganda on my walls because you think that you have the right to. I have the right to censor what is part of my private property. What I don't have the right to do is block that opinion being voiced elsewhere. If it happens that 100% of forums and websites individually decide to block that video from being posted, then tough shit, democracy rules, find a new way to broadcast it in the public sphere.

So.. Just to clarify.
By the BoS rules. If in a threads content, posts explicitly stating Muhammad (pbuh) "fucks kids", is a mass-murderer, that religious people are stupid, that Islam is barbaric - the list goes on - are acceptable.

But then a meme gets gets removed, which is not really any more offensive than the aformentioned to a Muslim... It just happens to involve Nazi's.

Can an Admin (not you moll) please define the line that was crossed? I think it's important to clarify this in the interest of evaluating whether or not this video maybe did protrude over that line at all? If this forum truly promotes freedom of speech that so many of it's members are so keen to defend. And wishes to enforce its rules presumably based on similar ideologies? Then I need to know where this line is?? Because as I said - it was no more off-topic than previous post's - So it's obviously not about that.

Or has BoS simply been hijacked by a bunch of Anti-Islamists? Because as far as I am aware BoS is not a space exclusive to atheists, anti-theists, anti-islamists, bigots.. Therefore although it is permitted to removed and include whatever posts it wants which I concede.. I would suggest it should be consistent given it is a board for students of all belief systems.

 

[Debauchee]

 

[moll.]

Well with the confrontation of "national idiots", wouldn't it get violent? That's what im trying to imply.

Yes. AND THEN YOU WOULD ALL BE ARRESTED, REGARDLESS OF RACE,COLOUR OR CREED.

What is so hard to understand?

 

[7eleven]

Yes. AND THEN YOU WOULD ALL BE ARRESTED, REGARDLESS OF RACE,COLOUR OR CREED.

What is so hard to understand?

LOL Do u see the irony in this?

 

[Peccadillo]

Wow - That was insane... My response to this man.

 

[moll.]

So.. Just to clarify.
By the BoS rules. If in a threads content, posts explicitly stating Muhammad (pbuh) "fucks kids", is a mass-murderer, that religious people are stupid, that Islam is barbaric - the list goes on - are acceptable.

But then a meme gets gets removed, which is not really any more offensive than the aformentioned to a Muslim... It just happens to involve Nazi's.

Can an Admin (not you moll) please define the line that was crossed? I think it's important to clarify this in the interest of evaluating whether or not this video maybe did protrude over that line at all? If this forum truly promotes freedom of speech that so many of it's members are so keen to defend. And wishes to enforce its rules presumably based on similar ideologies? Then I need to know where this line is?? Because as I said - it was no more off-topic than previous post's - So it's obviously not about that.

Or has BoS simply been hijacked by a bunch of Anti-Islamists? Because as far as I am aware BoS is not a space exclusive to atheists, anti-theists, anti-islamists, bigots.. Therefore although it is permitted to removed and include whatever posts it wants which I concede.. I would suggest it should be consistent given it is a board for students of all belief systems.

I don't know what BoS's rules are. Ask Rafy. I didn't decide them. I just use the forum. And there is nothing that says that BoS can't go the way of Stormfront and become a forum dedicated to anti-Islamic ideas. Just because HSC students use it for study doesn't mean you have some sort of claim to control. It's a private business.

 

[moll.]

LOL Do u see the irony in this?

No. Violent people get arrested. End of story. Chances are, if they could prove it, the original protesters would all be let off without punishments on the grounds of self-defence. But violence in response to to anything is strictly forbidden by both legal and social mores in Australian society.

 

[7eleven]

Wow - That was insane... My response to this man.

LOL i love peccadillo

 

[RANK 1]

i dont understand why everyone is backing down to muslims for fear of riots and more violence. we could easily crush these violent mobs should they try anything else

 

[7eleven]

i dont understand why everyone is backing down to muslims for fear of riots and more violence. we could easily crush these violent mobs should they try anything else

Yeah, that's why they had to call so many police reinforcements, including the riot squad, several choppers from all over Sydney, to contain a group of 500 protesters that consisted of several children and women. Dont get me wrong here. What im trying to say is not that Muslims should be feared but rather just pointing out your arrogance. we could easily crush these violent mobs

 

[RANK 1]

Yeah, that's why they had to call so many police reinforcements, including the riot squad, several choppers from all over Sydney, to contain a group of 500 protesters that consisted of several children and women. Dont get me wrong here. What im trying to say is not that Muslims should be feared but rather just pointing out your arrogance. we could easily crush these violent mobs

im not talking about sydney, im talking about shit like france closing down all their embassy's and international schools etc

 

[DrWho94]

That my friend is the most dumbest absurd thing I've heard in my life -classical muslim trick ...direct the moral question personally. I realy couldn't care less for what u do with ur own wife or what u think the punishment for adultery is...what I do care about is what ur beloved islam says about it...AND U KNOW VERY WELL WHAT IT SAYS but u do not want to say it because ur scared, embaressed even ashamed such disgusting morals are present in your book.

Therefore...let the mockery of muhammad and islam continue AS LONG AS IT IS CRITICIZING FACT i reckon freedom of speech is more than welcome. And my friend every depiction of muhammad is real in that film clip and you know it because its in your books - do not dare hide behind context ...because as ive shown his consistently that revolting.

 

[7eleven]

That my friend is the most dumbest absurd thing I've heard in my life -classical muslim trick ...direct the moral question personally. I realy couldn't care less for what u do with ur own wife or what u think the punishment for adultery is...what I do care about is what ur beloved islam says about it...AND U KNOW VERY WELL WHAT IT SAYS but u do not want to say it because ur scared, embaressed even ashamed such disgusting morals are present in your book.

Therefore...let the mockery of muhammad and islam continue AS LONG AS IT IS CRITICIZING FACT i reckon freedom of speech is more than welcome. And my friend every depiction of muhammad is real in that film clip and you know it because its in your books - do not dare hide behind context ...because as ive shown his consistently that revolting.

imo, ill say it again. in my opinion( im not an islamic scholar), islam does see fornication as a sin, and the harshest possible punishment is getting stoned to death. I see this as nothing to be embarrassed or ashamed of. Its a law, to u it my seem absurd, but nevertheless u sure have to respect the faith of others. In malaysia, drug trafficking is a death penalty. One may find that extremely absurd, but still u must respect their law as applies for all religions.

 

[7eleven]

That my friend is the most dumbest absurd thing I've heard in my life -classical muslim trick ...direct the moral question personally. I realy couldn't care less for what u do with ur own wife or what u think the punishment for adultery is...what I do care about is what ur beloved islam says about it...AND U KNOW VERY WELL WHAT IT SAYS but u do not want to say it because ur scared, embaressed even ashamed such disgusting morals are present in your book.

Therefore...let the mockery of muhammad and islam continue AS LONG AS IT IS CRITICIZING FACT i reckon freedom of speech is more than welcome. And my friend every depiction of muhammad is real in that film clip and you know it because its in your books - do not dare hide behind context ...because as ive shown his consistently that revolting.

Who r u, do decide that its a criticising fact.? If u wnat me to list the incosticincies present within the bible, well i surely can. All i need is a yes

 

[Peccadillo]

That my friend is the most dumbest absurd thing

I stopped reading after that.. Sorry. "Advanced English" standards have clearly dropped. I'm far from a grammar Nazi but "most dumbest".. come on.