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http://www.smh.com.au/news/National...ghter-humpbacks/2005/05/14/1116024405105.html

Outrage over Japan's plan to slaughter humpbacks
By Kerry-Anne Walsh
May 15, 2005
The Sun-Herald


Prime Minister John Howard and senior ministers are racing against the clock to stop a Japanese plan to slaughter the magnificent humpback whales which play in Australian waters every year.

With the International Whaling Commission (IWC) set to decide on the proposal in mid-June, Environment Minister Ian Campbell told The Sun-Herald the vote would be very close.

In a frank assessment of the possible outcome, Senator Campbell said Japan had recently been more successful in its lobbying of the commission's 55 member nations.

Japan has asked the IWC to approve an extension of its annual kill of 400 minke whales - which it says is for "scientific purposes" - to include the humpbacks.

The whales have become part of Australian life, delighting thousands with their antics off NSW beaches when they migrate from Antarctica each year.

If the IWC approves the expansion, the slaughter of the huge beasts would begin shortly in waters around Antarctica, which Australia claims as sovereign, but which Japan refuses to recognise.

Mr Howard raised the issue at talks in Japan two weeks ago.

At a meeting in Canberra last week, Senator Campbell left the Japanese Ambassador to Australia, Mr Hideaki Ueda, under no illusions about how the slaughter would be viewed by Australians.

"I said face-to-face to the Japanese [ambassador] that we have great respect between our two nations, but because they are going to target humpbacks that would be very bad for the way Japan is perceived by Australians," he said.

The minister acknowledged the whaling controversy would be a very difficult one to sort out. He said the Australian Government was determined to stop Japan's expansion plans and the new closeness of ties with Japan should be used to ensure "a good outcome for the whales".

Senator Campbell described as "obscene" and "insulting" the idea that nations could pretend to hunt whales for "scientific" purposes.

"Scientific whaling is a farce," he said. He added that Japan's plans would mobilise countries to help Australia not only stamp out whaling, but reform the structure of the IWC.

Labor issued a strong condemnation of Japan's plans, with foreign spokesman Kevin Rudd reminding Mr Howard that it was only last month the prime minister declared Australia had "no greater friend in Asia than Japan".

"It is now time to use that friendship, Mr Howard," he said.

ALP environment spokesman Anthony Albanese described it as "outrageous" that, at a time when the Government said it had its closest-ever relationship with Japan, it was not doing everything possible to stop the planned increase in whaling.

The president of marine mammal rescue and research organisation Orrca, Ronny Ling, said news of the bid was "very disturbing."

"These animals are protected in Australian waters," Mr Ling said.

"They claim [they want to hunt them] for scientific reasons, but the meat ends up in Japanese fish markets."

He said the proposed increase in culling could reverse recent improvements in the humpback population.

"When you throw in problems such as pollution and increased boat traffic, one other thing can tip the scale the other way."

Attorney-General Philip Ruddock said Australia could not legally board Japanese whaling vessels in Antarctic waters to stop their whaling because it could be seen as piracy.
FACTS ABOUT THE WHALE


 Identifiable by its long fins, black skin with white patches and large bumps on its head.

 Can grow to a length of 18 metres, and to 40 tonnes.

 The southern hemisphere species is protected in Australian waters and migrates from the waters of the Antarctic each year to give birth in the tropical waters off northern Queensland.

 It has a 12-month pregnancy.

 It has no teeth and feeds on krill and schools of small fish by taking in large mouthfuls of water.

Source: Australian Museum Online and NPWS.
'Scientific' whaling, a cultural delicacy, a barbaric practice that should be opposed by all legal means, etc., what are your thoughts?
 

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If it is endangered (which I presume it still is), then they shouldn't be killing them.
If there were heaps of them around, I'd have no qualms about it.
 

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The answer is simple, we must arm the whales so they can hunt the Japanese.
EDIT: *points to his sig
 
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Not-That-Bright said:
If it is endangered (which I presume it still is), then they shouldn't be killing them.
If there were heaps of them around, I'd have no qualms about it.
exactly..if they were breeding like rabbits then there would be no problem but theyre dying out..and we dont want another creature to be added to the extinct list!
 

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Attorney-General Philip Ruddock said Australia could not legally board Japanese whaling vessels in Antarctic waters to stop their whaling because it could be seen as piracy.
Anyone else find this a tad ironic?
 

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even tho they drive the technology in this world,
with all respect to playstation stuffs and all that great anime and manga
and sushi yum yum miso soup.

their culture is pretty selfish. They take what they want to make them more comfortable. Hence this whaling stuff, its all about money
THat science research whatever is a load of rubbish.
 

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why are they allowed to come in our waters?
 

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OZGIRL86 said:
why are they allowed to come in our waters?
It's not our waters, it's our sovereign territory in Antarctica afaik.
 

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I wonder what sort of secret Japanese lobby is pushing so hard for whaling to be legalised?

Just an observation- I visited a Japanese zoo when I was there in 2003, and the Japanese seem to have no consideration for the animals' wellbeing. I was appalled after of course experiencing the quality facilities of Australian zoos. Seriously, there were polar bears in cages kept cool by a single chunk of ice. Tigers bored shitless just wasting away in a rusty confinement.

The Japanese culture does not seem to accomodate humane treatment of animals. They don't have an ingrained hatred of animals, I just don't think they realise that they should be treated better.

What a juicy political issue this will possibly become. Hopefully Labor can capitalise on Ruddock's weak response. Imagine the propaganda, we can crack out the old Yellow Peril material and portray the Japs as evil demons!
 

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Try parallelling clips of people sighting whales off the coast, taking pictures, looking happy with clips of whaling men hauling in a large whale into a trawler would be great to convince everyone just how wrong this action by the Japs are

*great post leetom :uhhuh:
 

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They are still endangered, but it is based on a vote, if a certain number of countries vote the way they want they are are allowed to kill them. And the reason that they are getting the votes to allow them to do it is because they are buying the votes off less powerful countries with trade agreements.

They can't kill them in Australian waters, which is off the coast of Australia and off the coast of the Australian Antarctic Territory. In between these areas it's not Australian waters so they can get them while their migrating.

I think America is also against it, in which case I don't see why they don't park some mighty warships down there and refuse to let these guys kill the whales. Blow every Japanese whaling ship out of the water. If they want to start a war over it they will be in trouble.
 

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its disgusting, completely disgusting, these creatures are endangered, we should b protecting them, if they want to kill them, kill them in theuir own waters (as in japenese) I cant believe howard is such an idiot that he wont help stop it coz he doesnt want a "humanitarian" issue
 

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Our government is pathetic.

cant we exchange something with the japanese.

give them some rights to fish for normal fish in our waters or something.

reduce some trade barriers etc?

we should protect the whales.

Why do the japenese do this? for research? if they kill them alll? whats going to be the point of the research.

Why doesnt the prime minister say something like - look here u fucking nips - no one listens to diplomacy we need a pm who has the balls to tell it like it is.

id be proud of the pm if he acted like an australian and just spoke like a yobbo. We should vote a yobbo into power, like the main guy off that show the castle.

Do we own antartica or something?

arnt whales protected cos they are endangered.
 
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Good solution would be to ban all hunting of wild whales so that the japanese will be forced to create giant whale farms in the sea rather than freeload off Antartica
 

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I think we should threaten a reenactment of the last week of WW2.
 

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tattoodguy said:
Our government is pathetic.

cant we exchange something with the japanese.

give them some rights to fish for normal fish in our waters or something.

reduce some trade barriers etc?

we should protect the whales.

Why do the japenese do this? for research? if they kill them alll? whats going to be the point of the research.

Why doesnt the prime minister say something like - look here u fucking nips - no one listens to diplomacy we need a pm who has the balls to tell it like it is.

id be proud of the pm if he acted like an australian and just spoke like a yobbo. We should vote a yobbo into power, like the main guy off that show the castle.

Do we own antartica or something?

arnt whales protected cos they are endangered.
There is a loophole in the international laws which allows for hunting of whales so long as it is for scientific purposes. The Japanese have been exploiting this for years.
Also we don't "own" Antarctica as such, but I believe that small parts of it are governed to some extent by a whole bunch of different nations.
 

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we should take control of it.

no ones there........just call it terra nalius or whatever.

maybe we could get it based on squating laws.

its vacant right?

if we go and live on there for a while, maybe then we can take control of it after like 10 years or soemthing?
 

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