which uni is 'best'? (2 Viewers)

[stazi]

oh and for the future direction of this thread, i found a marketing journal article about prestige. note that this is about prestige for goods, but a lot of these criteria can be modified and applied:

Defining Prestige
The distinction between prestige brands and non-prestige brands has been operationally defined in this paper as the distinction between brands exhibiting five perceived values, contingent on a particular socioeconomic framework.
1. The consumption of prestige brands is viewed as a signal of status and wealth, and whose price, expensive by normal standards, enhances the value of such a signal (perceived conspicuous value).
2. If virtually everyone owns a particular brand it is by definition not prestigious (perceived unique value).
3. The role-playing aspects and the social value of prestige brands can be instrumental in the decision to buy (perceived social value).
4. For a brand which satisfies an emotional desire such as a prestige brand, a product's subjective intangible benefits such as aesthetic appeal is clearly determining the brand selection (perceived hedonic value).
5. Prestige is derived partly from the technical superiority and the extreme care that takes place during the production process. For instance, a Rolex Sea-dweller works 1,220 meters underwater and is hand-crafted (perceived quality value).

 

[_dhj_]

Usyd and UNSW. I hate people who think Maq and UTS are up there now. They're only marginally above UWS. How can 4/5 Uni's in Sydney be prestigious? This defies the notion of prestige.

I actually agree with you. These day we're handing out too many tertiary degree and the mere attendance of tertiary institution is no longer regarded (as it was decades ago) as prestigious. We have to ask: which is the best? And you can't just name half of the universities in Sydney and say that they're equally the best.

 

[williamycai]

UNSW is all asians, doesn't that make you feel like you were back in your selective school? USyd is good for med.
Overall i think her "best" means international, in which only melb u, and anu are in the decent ranks.
but domestically, macq does well with their accounting, like if i was an employer, i'd take one from macq than one with the same degree from nsw/syd. BUT if one got an honors from uws, i'd prolly take him/her. same goes with other degrees such as design/engineering/med etc..

But you are REALLY retarded and misguided to think that if i go to the 'best' uni, i'd be a sucessful person, which this thread is about.

Edit: and for the 2008 student note. i CHOSE uts over unsw/syd for architecture after a decent amount of researching. and so did most domestic kids here.

 

[PF]

if we're arguing abt which uni is most prestigious, since prestige is an image that is verified only if a large proportion of pple agree, as long as u ask "which uni is most prestigious" and the same uni name is repeated (no matter how biased the interviewees are) then that uni is the most prestigious

going to the best uni wont make u a successful person, it'll just make potential employers think u are which is a major pointer when ur looking for a job ^^.. if u were recruiting and u had two graduates who (for this point) were identical in every aspect except uni - one who did comm law at usyd and one at wollongong, who would u really pick?

to make all elements of my bias clear, yes i go to unsw (unsw owns!!!) but im unbiased in saying, msh, that most pple would agree:

commerce, engineering - go to unsw
commerce is also alright at macq too
law, advanced science - go to usyd
if ur willing to move, pick anu or melb
and an extra note could be the culture at uni - u should check if u like it first

for the rest, pick unsw or usyd depending on other factors such as which campus u like better, which uni's open day u went to and thus became unknowingly partial ^^

 

[AsyLum]

Usyd and UNSW. I hate people who think Maq and UTS are up there now. They're only marginally above UWS. How can 4/5 Uni's in Sydney be prestigious? This defies the notion of prestige.

I actually agree with you. These day we're handing out too many tertiary degree and the mere attendance of tertiary institution is no longer regarded (as it was decades ago) as prestigious. We have to ask: which is the best? And you can't just name half of the universities in Sydney and say that they're equally the best.

I think the problem is that prestige is being replaced by specialisations and the terms are getting confused.

edit: and rofl a Commerce/Law student saying they're handing out too many degrees. Go cookie cutter!

 

[+Po1ntDeXt3r+]

UNSW is all asians, doesn't that make you feel like you were back in your selective school? USyd is good for med.

id challenge that claim about Usyd UG med..

 

[stazi]

if we're arguing abt which uni is most prestigious, since prestige is an image that is verified only if a large proportion of pple agree, as long as u ask "which uni is most prestigious" and the same uni name is repeated (no matter how biased the interviewees are) then that uni is the most prestigious

going to the best uni wont make u a successful person, it'll just make potential employers think u are which is a major pointer when ur looking for a job ^^.. if u were recruiting and u had two graduates who (for this point) were identical in every aspect except uni - one who did comm law at usyd and one at wollongong, who would u really pick?

to make all elements of my bias clear, yes i go to unsw (unsw owns!!!) but im unbiased in saying, msh, that most pple would agree:

commerce, engineering - go to unsw
commerce is also alright at macq too
law, advanced science - go to usyd
if ur willing to move, pick anu or melb
and an extra note could be the culture at uni - u should check if u like it first

for the rest, pick unsw or usyd depending on other factors such as which campus u like better, which uni's open day u went to and thus became unknowingly partial ^^

haha you started out with talking about prestige as a whole, then you made it too specific, like different degrees are more prestigious in certain universities. I don't think that's the best way to look at the prestige of a uni. You have to look at the university as a whole, and what it represents in the community.

Furthermore, employers typically won't discriminate between universities too much. For one, you will hardly ever get two identical candidates. Secondly, if you can show during your interview that you are superior to the other candidates, you will get the job. I think most of the university-discrimination would occur in smaller firms, where there is a more personal system of recruitment in place

 

[Season]

It really does depend on the course. See University of Western Sydney in general gets a pretty bad rap... right, while University of Sydney looks pretty awesome... BUT

a Medical degree from Western Sydney kicks the ass of an Arts degree from the university of Sydney.

Get it?

Additionally each uni will specialise in different areas, eg. you want to do law- do you want to do international law, or public law?? ANU is the best place for that (mainly because you are in the capital), but if you want to do Criminal law University of Syd specialises in this...

General prestige wise... you've got

firstly
ANU , Melb , Syd...( these three are ranked according to the world unis, ANU and Melb are in the top 100, (ANU is coming first you suckers) Syd is in the top 500

Then you've got the Go8 which consists of

ANU, Melb, Monash, UNSW, Syd, Adelaide, West Aus, and UQ

course you wanted to do journalism per say... all these unis would be crap... better off going to macquarie, or even charles sturt.

 

[AsyLum]

UTS/CSU/MQ would be the order I'd put for Journalism. In straight terms of employability/opportunities, the MQ writing degree isn't a journalism degree, its more of a creative writing one.

 

[stazi]

It really does depend on the course. See University of Western Sydney in general gets a pretty bad rap... right, while University of Sydney looks pretty awesome... BUT

a Medical degree from Western Sydney kicks the ass of an Arts degree from the university of Sydney.

Get it?

Additionally each uni will specialise in different areas, eg. you want to do law- do you want to do international law, or public law?? ANU is the best place for that (mainly because you are in the capital), but if you want to do Criminal law University of Syd specialises in this...

General prestige wise... you've got

firstly
ANU , Melb , Syd...( these three are ranked according to the world unis, ANU and Melb are in the top 100, (ANU is coming first you suckers) Syd is in the top 500

Then you've got the Go8 which consists of

ANU, Melb, Monash, UNSW, Syd, Adelaide, West Aus, and UQ

course you wanted to do journalism per say... all these unis would be crap... better off going to macquarie, or even charles sturt.

When you start talking about the prestige of journalism, you're actually talking about the quality of education.

When you're talking about the prestige of doing medicine v arts, you're talking about employment opportunities, not the prestige of the course. Hell, I would say that a B Arts is a lot more prestigious at USYD then Med at UWS (after all, USYD is ranked 6th in the world in the Times Supplement for Arts and Humanities).

Ultimately, you're suggesting that a person who does medicine will always go to a more prestigious university than someone studying Arts. If I went to Oxford and studied Arts, whilst you went to UWS, who goes to a more prestigious UNIVERSITY? Me. In fact, I would dare say if you actually start talking about the prestige of courses, as you have been doing, my course is far more prestigious.

 

[jb_nc]

Usyd and UNSW. I hate people who think Maq and UTS are up there now. They're only marginally above UWS. How can 4/5 Uni's in Sydney be prestigious? This defies the notion of prestige.

HSC: 2008

 

[Triangulum]

(after all, USYD is ranked 6th in the world in the Times Supplement for Arts and Humanities)

5th. ANU is 6th.

 

[stazi]

oh. whoa. that is really impressive. It's actually even more impressive how many aussie unis are high on that rating.

 

[PF]

haha you started out with talking about prestige as a whole, then you made it too specific, like different degrees are more prestigious in certain universities. I don't think that's the best way to look at the prestige of a uni. You have to look at the university as a whole, and what it represents in the community.

Furthermore, employers typically won't discriminate between universities too much. For one, you will hardly ever get two identical candidates. Secondly, if you can show during your interview that you are superior to the other candidates, you will get the job. I think most of the university-discrimination would occur in smaller firms, where there is a more personal system of recruitment in place

yes of course there is prestige regarding a uni and prestige regarding a course at a uni. if u asked a group of pple, "is macq uni a really good uni?" they would probably be neutral, if u then asked "is actuarial studies at macq really good?" they would probably tell u it is pretty good. Whereas i would say unsw beats macq as a uni overall in terms of prestige, i would say macq is equal to unsw in terms of prestige in actuarial. but because unsw as a uni has greater prestige than macq overall, even though the actuarial course is equivalent, i would pick unsw actuarial.

continuing on, obviously u would not "hardly ever" get two identical candidates.. u would never get two identical candidates..... the point i was attempting to convey, is that going to a more prestigious uni gets u ahead - and to obtain employment in the labour market today, yes u would like to get an advantage. if u were superior in the interview, u'd get the job but if ur resume & ur uni doesnt stand out, u dont get the chance to go to the interview thus better uni = adv. better safe than sorry - why go to a less prestigious uni simply because the firm, that u might join later, might not have a personal system of recruitment?

 

[AsyLum]

MQ Actuarial > UNSW Actuarial.

MQ Actuarial is older than UNSW.

(etc)

Prestige is a way of justifying your epenis.

 

[Iheartpaulfrank]

5th. ANU is 6th.

Wow that is AWESOME. <3 yew USYD.

 

[Trebla]

When I was deciding between USyd and UNSW, I ended up choosing USyd partly because at the time the thought of taking a peak hour bus (= extra transport costs ) from Central Station to UNSW seemed like a pain in the ass compared to walking from Redfern Station...lol

If you consider 'best' to be based on overall university rankings, then according to some extensive global research report last year, UNSW was like one or two ranks above USyd against universities around the world but were more or less similar(Harvard came 1st and Oxford was 2nd).

 

[xoa]

Australian unis aren't as segregated as in the UK/USA.

I don't think there is a "best" or "worst " uni. There's definitely no elite unis. There's elite degrees, but they are randomly distributed among the unis. I'd rather earn a medicine/dentistry/pharmacy/optometry/radiography/engineering degree from a former CAE than an arts degree from a Go8. Even when you're comparing apples with apples, the Go8 unis aren't always the most popular with students.

 

[msh]

the big 4 universities near the city is the best.

 

[stazi]

its quite obvious this student hasnt worked in the industry because this has to be the largest pile of shit i have ever heard im my life. :rofl:

When you have 2 recent graduates from different unis its simple

They got the same fucking level of expertise
They got the same fucking level of experience

Person A is more committed than person B
Person A is more interested in staying on the company than person B
Person A went to UWS then person B that went to USYD

Person A wins because even tho his uni is considered as shit, he has a lot more to offer to the company than person B.

No one cares where the fuck you came from, they care is simply what do you have to offer to them.

Prestigious has to be the largest pile of shit for the people who believe their life requires existance.

Also experience is vast more important than prestige bullshit, look at seek.

Give me a job add where it wants grades over experience and i grantee you that's a company that is bound to go bust.

Prestige does count quite a bit, but only if you're planning on going overseas (particularly if you're trying to study an MBA degree at, say at Wharton).

The university you go to can, indeed impact employment chances, too. Although I would say that for most decisions if you go to any of the public unis, you won't have much trouble getting a job if you have the passion, marks and experience.