9/11 an inside job (2 Viewers)

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No. Alex Jones the internationally recognized journalist and radio broadcaster, and documentary maker of over 20 films. Alex Jones made a documentary about Bohemian Grove. Watch it. Secondly research the FEMA camps a little bit more before you dismiss the facts.
 

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HURRRR I've 'researched' them plenty. I've watched that documentary about bohemian grove, it was hillarious... what a moron. It's amazing how many crackpot moonbats there are out there to eat this shit up.
 

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The only moron is the one who denys evidence. Also labeling anyone that provides facts that you don't 'like' as a 'crackpot' or a 'moonbat' is pathetic.

Also. If you're so positive about the offical story, why argue with me. You're just right, Aren't you?
 

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You still haven't bothered to rebut any of my counter-points to your 'evidence'. I think someone who believes for instance that there's this secret shadow government that is planning to take over and push us all into fema death camps and day now is a nutter.
 

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I think someone who choses to ignore it is nuts. Also I have refuted all of your arguments.

Why waste your time talking about this if you're so sure:wave:.
 

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No... you haven't refuted, or even tried to refute anything as is evident from the conversation its self.
 

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read OP buh not thread.

it wasnt a conspiracy...ive lived with some people nd generally can from a primary perspective tell you that mainstream muslims dislike the U.S. You go to some mosques....you listen to som clerks....you meet some radicals nd you can tell that not only do they have the determination yet capability, they reflect a very small minority but exist. no facts or concidence can repute this

p.s. i myself am very frustrated that they did it on a jewish holiday!!! grrrr
 

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This is so slow its becoming epic snail. I'm done here. You're not willing to research the evidence.
 

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lol not willing to research the evidence? You dismissed the 9/11 comission report, probably the most comprehensive, highly researched and scrutinised document regarding the events of september 11th without having read a word of it... on the basis of what you've read from crackpot websites and youtubue videos.
 

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Falsehoods


  • The Report's Notes state: "the interior core of the [Twin Towers] was a hollow steel shaft, in which the elevators and stairwells were grouped." In fact, the core structures were composed of bundles of steel columns numbering 47 and having outside dimensions, in most cases, of 36 by 16 inches and 54 by 22 inches.
  • The Report states that the "South Tower collapsed in ten seconds," when it actually took about 15 seconds. While one might expect that the Commission would overstate rather than understate the collapse time, the fact that the Commission did not even consider a collapse time within one second of the vacuum free-fall time of 9.2 seconds a problem for the official explanation is evidence that the Commission would endorse that explanation no matter what the facts.
  • Regarding the failure to promptly move George W. Bush from the known location of the Sarasota classroom, the Report states that "No one in the traveling party had any information during this time that other aircraft were hijacked or missing." Yet, according to evidence assembled by David Griffin, the Secret Service has open lines to the FAA, whose top operations people in the northeast corridor thought that as many as 11 planes had been hijacked. [SIZE=-1] 2 [/SIZE]
  • The Report states: "The threat of terrorists hijacking commercial airliners within the United States -- and using them as guided missiles -- was not recognized by NORAD before 9/11." (The Report repeats the assertion three times.) Yet media reports, such as the USA Today article entitled "NORAD had drills of jets as weapons" describe pre-9/11 NORAD drills involving hijacked jetliners crashing into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. [SIZE=-1] 3 [/SIZE]
  • The Report states: "The protocols did not contemplate an intercept. They assumed the fighter escort would be discreet, 'vectored to a position five miles directly behind the hijacked aircraft,' where it could perform its mission to monitor the aircraft's flight path." Yet the order referenced by the footnote for this statement (Order 7610.4J: Special Military Operations), states: 7-2-1. FACILITY NOTIFICATION

    The FAA hijack coordinator will advise the appropriate center/control tower of the identification of the military unit and location tasked to provide the hijack escort. The center/control tower shall coordinate with the designated NORAD SOCC/ROCC/military unit advising of the hijack aircraft's location, direction of flight, altitude, type aircraft and recommended flight plan to intercept the hijack aircraft. The center/control tower shall file the coordinated flight plan. [SIZE=-1] 4 [/SIZE]

  • To address the charge that Saudi nationals were flown out of the country before the post-9/11 flight ban was lifted, the Report states: "we found no evidence that any flights of Saudi nationals, domestic or international, took place before the reopening of national airspace on the morning of September 13, 2001." In fact national airspace was only open to commercial airliners on a case-by-case basis on September 13, 2001. It was not until September 15th that the skies were opened to general aviation (privately owned aircraft). [SIZE=-1] 5 [/SIZE] Yet the Lear Jet that flew Saudi nationals from Tampa, FL to Lexington, KY on September 13th was a private plane. [SIZE=-1] 6 [/SIZE]
Contradictions


  • The Report notes that Hani Hanjour's pilot application was rejected, and that he was a "terrible pilot," on the one hand, but asserts that he was "operation's most experienced pilot," and piloted Flight 77 through a 330-degree spiral dive maneuver, on the other.
  • The Report explains that the suicide terrorists chose not to target a nuclear power plant because they "thought a nuclear target would be difficult because the airspace around it was restricted, making reconnaissance flights impossible and increasing the likelihood that any plane would be shot down before impact." (p 245) It fails to apply the same logic to their targeting of the Pentagon, which, being the heart of the US military, is presumably even better defended than a nuclear power plant.
  • The Report addresses the question of why George W. Bush remained in the publicly known location of the Sarasota school until 9:35 AM -- a half hour after the second Tower strike -- by relating that Bush "told us his instinct was to project calm, not to have the country see an excited reaction at a moment of crisis," (p38) and that the Secret service "told us they were anxious to move the President to a safer location, but did not think it imperative for him to run out the door." (p39) The Report implicitly accepts these explanations as satisfactory, thereby implying that for Bush to have taken any less than a half hour to leave the school would have required him to display an excited reaction and to "run out the door."
This list only touches on some of the more obvious omissions from the Report. Even Griffin's book -- the most thorough critique of the Report to date -- is far from exhaustive. In 2005, Griffin wrote The 9/11 Commission Report: A 571-Page Lie, which provides 115 points on which the Report lies, either explicitly or implicitly.

SOurce: http://911research.wtc7.net/post911/commission/report.html
 

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COPY PASTA SUM WEBSIET BACKED UP BY DAVID RAY GRIFFIN, PHD IN THEOLOGY HURRRRRRRRRRrrr

# The Report fails to acknowledge that no steel-framed high-rise building has ever collapsed due to fires.
Fires and an 747 being slammed into it, not really the most common scenario anyway?

# The Report fails to mention the total collapse of 47-story steel-framed skyscraper Building 7 at 5:20 on the day of the attack.
I believe building 7 is for a later edition?

# The Report contains no mention of the interview in which the owner of Building 7 states that he and the Fire Department decided to "pull" Building 7 -- an apparent admission of a conspiracy to destroy the building and its contents.
Jesus christ because that's total bunk? How is it an admission of a conspiracy lol

# The Report fails to mention the rapid removal and recycling of the structural steel from the collapsed World Trade Center buildings, even to make excuses for it.
I believe a SHITLOAD of it is still being kept in a massive warehouse and being looked over? You don't need 100%

# The Report makes no mention of a statement by then-Mayor Rudolph Giuliani to Peter Jennings indicating he had foreknowledge of the collapses: "We were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was gonna collapse, and it did collapse before we could get out of the building."
hahahah foreknowledge? Someone obviously told him that it was likely it was going to collapse, several of the firefighters in there were worried about it so it's not like it required someone 'in on it' to tell him it was probably going to collapse.

# The Report contains no mentions of eyewitness accounts of explosions preceding the collapse of South Towers.
Well even if it doesn't... it's nothing special to imagine a building which has several floors on fire would be having explosions etc.

# The Report fails to mention that George W. Bush's brother, Marvin Bush, and his cousin, Wirt Walker III, were principals in the company that had the contract to provide security for the World Trade Center, Stratesec, nor does it mention the company.
The bush family are very rich and very well connected... I would be surprised if someone in the bush family wouldn't have at some point in their life had been associated with a company associated with the world trade center.

# The Report makes no mention of the fact that a new lessor took control of the World Trade Center complex just six weeks before the attack, obtained an insurance policy covering terrorist attacks, and successfully sued the insurance companies to obtain twice the multi-billion-dollar value of the policy.
How is this important? Are you claiming that it was an insurance job? Holy shit... an organisation which can pull off a stunt like this DOES NOT NEED money. Also, I'm not going to research it myself but I imagine that contracts covering terrorism would be standard for a high profile building like the WTC, especially considering it had been the victim of an attempted attack before.

# The Report repeats the list of 19 suspects identified by the FBI within days of the attack, while failing to mention that six of them reported themselves alive after the attack.
My understanding of this is that the FBI got mixed up with some of the names... there was more than one muhammed blahblah in America. Not a huge surprise.

# The Report fails to mention any of the reports of behavior by the alleged hijackers before the attack that belie the official story that they were devout Muslims on a suicide mission for Allah.
Fair enough it's probably overstated how much they were religious fundamentalists... they're probably better described as out for revenge with nationalistic motives (i.e. US occupation of their lands).

# The Report fails to mention that the published passenger lists contained no Arab names -- a fact publicized by skeptics of the official story.
These were done as a memorial, so obviously you don't want to publish the perpetrators names next to victims.

# The Report fails to ask why the plane that crashed into the Pentagon was not stopped by anti-aircraft missile batteries that presumably ring the building.
There were none there until after 9/11.

# The Report fails to mention that no credible footage of the Pentagon attack has been made public, despite public knowledge that the FBI seized footage of the attack from nearby businesses.
Actually heaps of the footage has been handed over in the past to I believe a court and the judge and/or jury went through the videos and picked out those that showed anything even slightly interesting. In these 3 or 4 videos many of them don't even show much of anything interesting... so I imagine the other 30 are a real borefest.

BUT THEN THE COURTS ARE IN ON IT TOO!!!

# The Report does not ask why the Secret Service did not obtain air cover for the President's motorcade from the Sarasota school to the airport, nor for Air Force One, which took off at about 9:54, until about 11:10.
idk maybe because any other plane in the air was to be shot down anyway?

# The Report avoids mentioning several reports that government officials and business leaders received warnings and avoided targets of the attacks, including:

* A warning by the FBI advising Attorney General John Ashcroft to avoid flying on commercial airlines.
* The report that Pentagon officials suddenly canceled travel plans the evening before the attack.
* The cancellation of plans by Ariel Sharon to attend an event in New York City on 9/11/01.
* A warning to San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown to avoid flying.
* The grounding of Salman Rushdie by Scotland Yard.
These warnings happen ALL THE TIME.

sigh fuck this garbage.
 
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Well... personally when I look for answers about something like "why did X building collapse" I'd go to an engineer first instead of a theology professor.
 

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Okay, but that still doesn't discredit the evidence.

Also:

WTC 7 collapse reported 30 minutes before it happened

The BBc reported that the building had collapsed before it actually did.
So great britain is in on it too? How have the benefitted from it?

I think this sums up building 7:
"NIST considered the possibility that the towers were brought down with explosives and concluded that a blast event did not occur. The investigation noted that no blast was audible on recordings of the collapse and that no blast was reported by witnesses, even though it would have been audible at a level of at least 130-140 decibels at a distance of half a mile. "

Unless they used magic silent explosives.
 
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The CIA did know about it. In fact prior to the 9/11 attacks they were filled on on possible attacks. The Government chose to ignore them. Also on the day of the attacks prominent politicians and political figures were told not to board certain planes and to stay put that day. Also it took NORAD much longer than usual to respond and the usual chain of command was not followed that day. You seem to have a childish understanding of world affairs.
NORAD has no jurisdiction over commerical aircraft originating from within the US.
 

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Plane crashes reaches 1200°C

Steel melts at 1500°C

So it was 80% liquid, 20% solid. American standards (ASCI) design structures at about 1.7 greater than the design load. Structure was doomed not from the impact but from the impact of fire damage to the steel structure thus caused it to buckle in the way it did. After 9/11, reinforced concrete is now the norm for high rise structures instead of steel as concrete cannot get damaged from fire and high temperatures

This inside job is a lot of BULLSHIT

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Your understanding is so wrong it's unbelievable, fortunately for you your conclusion is correct. Reinforced concrete has been standard for a long time :p
 

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at first i was like...

but then i lol'd


seriously, conspiracy theories like this only continue exist because of people like you regurgitating their blatant misunderstanding
 

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Supposing the U.S. government did orchestrate the planes flying into the towers, why would they then set up a separate, secret explosive demolition attack?

Wouldn't a couple of planes hitting your national icons be impressive enough, even if the buildings didn't come down? I can't think of any reason the buildings would actually need to be completely destroyed. The idea of terrorists hijacking planes and crashing them into U.S. buildings would seem to be dramatic enough for the Bush administration to achieve whatever it was they wanted that motivated them to orchestrate the attacks.

It seems like a lot of unnecessary trouble to go to, to secretly rig the building with high explosive, when you could just hit it with the planes alone.
I'm just really interested in an answer to this.

Seems like a pretty big logical hole. Why rig the buildings for demolitiion?
No one denies planes hit the twin towers. Supposing you're right (you're not), and the towers shouldn't have fallen, it still would have killed a bunch of people, severely damaged the buildings and been sufficiently outrageous the U.S. could justify attacking Afghanistan.

Why would the buildings be fitted with explosives? It doesn't make sense. It's ridiculously complicated and unnecessary.
 

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