Does God exist? (2 Viewers)

[Name_Taken]

I think this is related to the discussion... I've never had a theist explain to me how their faith gives their life meaning. It appears to me that they find meaning in the same sort of things as me... But eh, people maintain it pretty strong.

Either way I think most of these sort of questions are very academic, because imho the vast majority of theists merely 'hope' there is an afterlife and that their god exists.

You can't deduce a meaning of life at all without recognising a higher power exists than us.

Likewise it could be said, you *hope* that God doesn' exist, or that if he does he has no objection to your sinful existence and choice to reject His love.

 

[moll.]

I think it takes an extreme amount of arrogance to think that you aren't a worthless being and that there is something significant about you that seperates you from the nigh on 7 billion other people on Earth.

 

[SeCKSiiMiNh]

You can't deduce a meaning of life at all without recognising a higher power exists than us.

Likewise it could be said, you *hope* that God doesn' exist, or that if he does he has no objection to your sinful existence and choice to reject His love.

Ahh Name_taken, a worthy and respectable adversary...

Maybe you would like to read the article I posted up on page 977. Obs3n3 seemed to have disappeared when I asked him about it.

 

[adomad]

Oh I sincerely hope that you have read the lovely article I posted up at the top of this page. God didn't save that poor boy from a stray bullet now did it?

God does everything for a reason... our minds are just too small to comprehend it... its just like trying to put the ocean into a sand bucket... think about it

lets be honest, there is no god

then what are we living for?.all our goods will rust and be eaten by moths.. if there is nothing in this life that will remain, what is the point of living.


i came across this talk that discusses the truth in the bible and mainly the resurrection of Jesus... i seriously urge you to listen to this
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if you can't be bothered it basically talks about how the event is indeed a fact and is proven by Sir Lionel Luckoo. A defensive lawyer who has defended 245 murders in a row! He took a few years off working to examine the truth behind the event and concluded that “I say that the evidence for the resurrection of Jesus Christ is so overwhelming with compels acceptance by proof and which leaves absolutely no room for doubt”

you will benefit more if you listen to them…

Also there are a few more talks that are mentioned in the start of the one above, and the second one addresses SeCKSiiMiNh post
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[BlackDragon]

Because without faith in God, your life has no meaning.

By extension, a meaningless life could be seen as a worthless one, and you'd hardly describe yourself as a worthless being?

arghhhhh. Why the hell do we need a higher being to have meaning in our lives? All you are doing is restating it and not supporting it with anything. I find the whole idea silly.

YOU PEOPLE AND YOUR MORAL ELITISM MAKE ME WANT TO HIT MY HEAD WITH A PILLOW.

I think it is all about constructing a world where there are absolutes that exist outside the human world. If there is right or wrong absolutely and the universe is black and white, then people are comforted. And I think that's the driving force behind religion, the comfort that comes from the idea that there are absolutes clearly delineated in the structure of the world. But its delusory.

Having life as just life and nothing more gives it real meaning and beauty. The fact that we die and will decompse is not something that detracts from anything. In fact, life in its organic humility gives a delight and allows freedom. I don't like the religious notion of an afterlife, the whole thing is dreary. Why does life have to be eternal to have meaning? The fact that there is nothing more after life makes one truly free.

Also people who think that god actively participates in human lives and happenings need to relearn their own religion.

 

[moll.]

God does everything for a reason... our minds are just too small to comprehend it... its just like trying to put the ocean into a sand bucket... think about it



then what are we living for?.all our goods will rust and be eaten by moths.. if there is nothing in this life that will remain, what is the point of living.


i came across this talk that discusses the truth in the bible and mainly the resurrection of Jesus... i seriously urge you to listen to this
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if you can't be bothered it basically talks about how the event is indeed a fact and is proven by Sir Lionel Luckoo. A defensive lawyer who has defended 245 murders in a row! He took a few years off working to examine the truth behind the event and concluded that “I say that the evidence for the resurrection of Jesus Christ is so overwhelming with compels acceptance by proof and which leaves absolutely no room for doubt”

you will benefit more if you listen to them…

Also there are a few more talks that are mentioned in the start of the one above, and the second one addresses SeCKSiiMiNh post
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Yeah, cos a criminal defence lawyer is really qualified to investigate the death and resurrection of Christ.
Retard.

 

[SeCKSiiMiNh]

God does everything for a reason... our minds are just too small to comprehend it... its just like trying to put the ocean into a sand bucket... think about it

Yes, i'm sure that poor 4 year old boy would've been the next hitler. Which leads me to prompt another question. Why did god do nothing to stop hitler? What's the reason behind that? Does he hate jews? Why didn't god stop the 9/11 attacks by "pulling some strings". Why can't god send a lightning bolt at me for questioning his existence? He was able to send a massive flood down and cleanse the earth right? So why? Why? And you can't prove god exists.

 

[BlackDragon]

Okay look at the stupidity of this argument:

Me: Why do religious people need a higher being to have meaning?

Name_Taken: Because without faith in god, your life has no meaning.

 

[SeCKSiiMiNh]

then what are we living for?.all our goods will rust and be eaten by moths.. if there is nothing in this life that will remain, what is the point of living.

This is just too "lol".

There must be a god! Otherwise we'd be living for nothing! That must automatically mean god exists! Rejoice!

 

[moll.]

Yes, i'm sure that poor 4 year old boy would've been the next hitler. Which leads me to prompt another question. Why did god do nothing to stop hitler? What's the reason behind that? Does he hate jews? Why didn't god stop the 9/11 attacks by "pulling some strings". Why can't god send a lightning bolt at me for questioning his existence? He was able to send a massive flood down and cleanse the earth right? So why? Why? And you can't prove god exists.

According to Constantine, God and Satan have come to an agreement that neither shall directly intervene in human affairs.
Sucks to be a Polish Jew in the 40's.

 

[philphie]

Yes, i'm sure that poor 4 year old boy would've been the next hitler. Which leads me to prompt another question. Why did god do nothing to stop hitler? What's the reason behind that? Does he hate jews? Why didn't god stop the 9/11 attacks by "pulling some strings". Why can't god send a lightning bolt at me for questioning his existence? He was able to send a massive flood down and cleanse the earth right? So why? Why? And you can't prove god exists.

Hitler was Christian that's why, plus without Hitler, what would we learn in Modern ahistory? God needs more angels with business/commerce/economics skills. God is physically attracted to you. i can prove God exists. hey God.... "YESS, WHAT YE WANT!!?!?"

God does everything for a reason... our minds are just too small to comprehend it... its just like trying to put the ocean into a sand bucket... think about it



then what are we living for?.all our goods will rust and be eaten by moths.. if there is nothing in this life that will remain, what is the point of living.


i came across this talk that discusses the truth in the bible and mainly the resurrection of Jesus... i seriously urge you to listen to this
RapidShare: 1-CLICK Web hosting - Easy Filehosting

if you can't be bothered it basically talks about how the event is indeed a fact and is proven by Sir Lionel Luckoo. A defensive lawyer who has defended 245 murders in a row! He took a few years off working to examine the truth behind the event and concluded that “I say that the evidence for the resurrection of Jesus Christ is so overwhelming with compels acceptance by proof and which leaves absolutely no room for doubt”

you will benefit more if you listen to them…

Also there are a few more talks that are mentioned in the start of the one above, and the second one addresses SeCKSiiMiNh post
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i'm thinking about it, and i think it could be done, call mythbusters and see if they'll do it.

what's the point of living? why to live, and to enjoy the life you live. for most of us we will live to be happy, is that not reward enough?

 

[Enteebee]

You can't deduce a meaning of life at all without recognising a higher power exists than us.

Okay, I understand that basically the 'only' hope for some sort of 'objective' meaning to your life is that there is some magical, all powerful arbiter of truth who has decided your meaning.
Either way though, this person existing and this meaning existing doesn't mean that you KNOW this meaning. My problem is that people haven't explained, in a meaningful way (at least imo) what meaning God has bestowed upon them.

Likewise it could be said, you *hope* that God doesn' exist, or that if he does he has no objection to your sinful existence and choice to reject His love.

It could be said. But if I can be so bold, your argument reminds me of a parrotting 12 year old girl.

I definitely do not *hope* that God does not exist. Hoping that God doesn't exist and that there is no afterlife, is hoping that there is no ultimate justice, it's hoping that you DIE (instead of living eternally), it's hoping that all your loved ones DIE - I do not hope this is true.

Furthermore, I could merely believe in a God that doesn't object to my sinful existence (such as many modern interpretations of the Christian God) - However, I don't. Because for me, it's not about believing in what I want.

A big part of my initial intuition about why I think people only Hope God exists, is that MOST believers don't seem to exhibit the behaviours I'd expect of someone who truly believes in what they say they do.

 

[adomad]

Yeah, cos a criminal defence lawyer is really qualified to investigate the death and resurrection of Christ.
Retard.

a criminal defence lawyer's skills... a criminal defence laqyer who was able to defend 245 people, must have the analytical skills to prove anything! as no other defence lawyer has been able to reach anything near that figure.
listen to the mp3 file.

Yes, i'm sure that poor 4 year old boy would've been the next hitler. Which leads me to prompt another question. Why did god do nothing to stop hitler? What's the reason behind that? Does he hate jews? Why didn't god stop the 9/11 attacks by "pulling some strings". Why can't god send a lightning bolt at me for questioning his existence? He was able to send a massive flood down and cleanse the earth right? So why? Why? And you can't prove god exists.

as i said, the bucket is too small to fit the ocean... "Why can't god send a lightning bolt at me for questioning his existence? " would that be fair??

LOL and you're so defensive and stubborn that you are not allowing yourself to learn anything unless you use an open mind.

 

[adomad]

what's the point of living? why to live, and to enjoy the life you live. for most of us we will live to be happy, is that not reward enough?

but then your going to die and it will be as if you neve existed, happy or not happy. seem pointless if we are living just to "have a good life"; if our ultimate purpose in life it to live happy...

 

[SeCKSiiMiNh]

as i said, the bucket is too small to fit the ocean... "Why can't god send a lightning bolt at me for questioning his existence? " would that be fair??

LOL and you're so defensive and stubborn that you are not allowing yourself to learn anything unless you use an open mind.

Idiot. You wanna talk fair?

Fair is it that I'm a homosexual and as such, will be condemned for acting on my urges? Fair is it that because of this religion, me and countless other homosexuals are not afforded the right ro marry?

 

[BlackDragon]

but then your going to die and it will be as if you neve existed, happy or not happy. Seem pointless if we are living just to "have a good life"; if our ultimate purpose in life it to live happy...

why does life have to be eternal to have meaning?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think religion is all about constructing a world where there are absolutes that exist outside the human world. If there is right or wrong absolutely and the universe is black and white, then people are comforted. And I think that's the driving force behind religion, the comfort that comes from the idea that there are absolutes clearly delineated in the structure of the world. But its delusory.

 

[Enteebee]

but then your going to die and it will be as if you neve existed, happy or not happy. seem pointless if we are living just to "have a good life"; if our ultimate purpose in life it to live happy...

There are a billion things in this life that you do, every day, which are ephemeral.

Consider building a snowman - You know that one day the sun's going to get too hot and it'll all melt away, but does that make it any less fun to make?

 

[SeCKSiiMiNh]

why does life have to be eternal to have meaning?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

isn't it obvious!??! otherwise, there would be no god! their desire to have meaning in life is what keeps god ALIVE!

 

[moll.]

a criminal defence lawyer's skills... a criminal defence laqyer who was able to defend 245 people, must have the analytical skills to prove anything! as no other defence lawyer has been able to reach anything near that figure.
listen to the mp3 file.

Great stuff. He can get serial killers off their charges. He must be a great human being!
But he's still not a historian, theologian, archaeologist, doctor or even philosopher. And until he is, I'm not going to pay attention to him.
And no, I won't listen you your shitty mp3, because a) I have better things to do and b) I don't download shit cos people tell me to. Learnt that one the hard way.

as i said, the bucket is too small to fit the ocean... "Why can't god send a lightning bolt at me for questioning his existence? " would that be fair??

He is being pretty insolent.
And I don't get your whole "small bucket" analogy. I would have thought that you saying "goddidit" to everything would fit that analogy, and yet you seem to be using it to prove God does exist.

LOL and you're so defensive and stubborn that you are not allowing yourself to learn anything unless you use an open mind.

AHH!!! THE HYPOCRISY!! IT BURNS!!

 

[philphie]

but then your going to die and it will be as if you neve existed, happy or not happy. seem pointless if we are living just to "have a good life"; if our ultimate purpose in life it to live happy...

what happens to me in this life is enough for me. what i feel now matters, and what i recall doesn't. as long as in some point in my life i was happy then the need to remember that time is not important to me.

you're greedy and just want more



i however think spirituality (not necessarily meaning a complete submission and belief in somethng transcendent) is somewhat important and can appreciate spiritual contentment and fulfilment