Homosexuality in Australia (15 Viewers)

[SeCKSiiMiNh]

This is crazy.

It's meant to exclude homosexuals right? Since they can't marry.

 

[Iron]

So it would be more preferable for the human race to be bound by complete abstonance and simply die out?

Love in god is not the same as loving another. Loving god is to love an entity that you cannot see (don't give me 'everything you see is god'), something you cannot touch, something you can talk at but not recieve verbal communication back.

= Lonelyness.

Clearly youre not a person of faith. Otherwise youd see that God speaks to us all thru a gentle whisper, thru the miracle of life and majesty of His creation. Open your inner ear and be sensitive to His call.

But marriage is a vocation - it's something that some people (perhaps most people) are called to by their creator. He says to them 'this is how i want you to serve me with your life'. Likewise others are called to serve in other ways. St Paul is just saying that it's better to be chaste and you should at least give srs thought in exploring your ability to serve God in this more devoted way. But like I said, he was careful to state that there's nothing inherently wrong with marriage.

 

[Kwayera]

All lusts are a sin. They distract us from God. Even the lust of a husband and wife can be sinful if it is not used for its purpose of bringing us in to God's joyful creation. In all that we do, God must stand at the apex.

+ffs, IN BRIEF

1659 St. Paul said: "Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the Church. . . . This is a great mystery, and I mean in reference to Christ and the Church" (Eph 5:25, 32).

1660 The marriage covenant, by which a man and a woman form with each other an intimate communion of life and love, has been founded and endowed with its own special laws by the Creator. By its very nature it is ordered to the good of the couple, as well as to the generation and education of children. Christ the Lord raised marriage between the baptized to the dignity of a sacrament (cf. CIC, can. 1055 # 1; cf. GS 48 # 1).

1661 The sacrament of Matrimony signifies the union of Christ and the Church. It gives spouses the grace to love each other with the love with which Christ has loved his Church; the grace of the sacrament thus perfects the human love of the spouses, strengthens their indissoluble unity, and sanctifies them on the way to eternal life (cf. Council of Trent: DS 1799).

1662 Marriage is based on the consent of the contracting parties, that is, on their will to give themselves, each to the other, mutually and definitively, in order to live a covenant of faithful and fruitful love.

1663 Since marriage establishes the couple in a public state of life in the Church, it is fitting that its celebration be public, in the framework of a liturgical celebration, before the priest (or a witness authorized by the Church), the witnesses, and the assembly of the faithful.

1664 Unity, indissolubility, and openness to fertility are essential to marriage. Polygamy is incompatible with the unity of marriage; divorce separates what God has joined together; the refusal of fertility turns married life away from its "supreme gift," the child (GS 50 # 1).

1665 The remarriage of persons divorced from a living, lawful spouse contravenes the plan and law of God as taught by Christ. They are not separated from the Church, but they cannot receive Eucharistic communion. They will lead Christian lives especially by educating their children in the faith.

1666 The Christian home is the place where children receive the first proclamation of the faith. For this reason the family home is rightly called "the domestic church," a community of grace and prayer, a school of human virtues and of Christian charity.

There is only a single Bible reference in all of that ("Husbands, love your wives..") and that has nothing to say about sex before marriage.

All the rest is interpretation like a thousand years after the fact.

Dude, wtf.

 

[Iron]

There is only a single Bible reference in all of that ("Husbands, love your wives..") and that has nothing to say about sex before marriage.

All the rest is interpretation like a thousand years after the fact.

Dude, wtf.

Ahaha stfu kway. I'm not going to waste my evening digging up pearls for a pig like you to shit over. You have no interest or connection with the spirit of Christianity; you are its stated enemy. Go to hell ratbag

 

[0bs3n3]

Maybe god shouldn't have invented the "orgasm"

It was created to be enjoyed in the sanctity of marriage.

 

[Name_Taken]

Maybe god shouldn't have invented the "orgasm"

Maybe you should control yourself

 

[SeCKSiiMiNh]

It was created to be enjoyed in the sanctity of marriage.

But you can only enjoy it when you want to have a baby right? What if a couple is only hoping to have ONE child? Does that mean that they are entitled to do it just once during the duration of their relationship? (whihc is forever isn't it?)

 

[SeCKSiiMiNh]

Maybe you should control yourself

You don't masturbate do you?

 

[SeCKSiiMiNh]

It was created to be enjoyed in the sanctity of marriage.

Don't some animals get orgasms as well? I think dolphins do.

Edit: and what about the male g-spot, which is located in the male rectum? Was that made to be enjoyed in a heterosexual marriage as well?

 

[BlackDragon]

Pigs

 

[Lentern]

All lusts are a sin. They distract us from God. Even the lust of a husband and wife can be sinful if it is not used for its purpose of bringing us in to God's joyful creation. In all that we do, God must stand at the apex.

+ffs, IN BRIEF

1659 St. Paul said: "Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the Church. . . . This is a great mystery, and I mean in reference to Christ and the Church" (Eph 5:25, 32).

1660 The marriage covenant, by which a man and a woman form with each other an intimate communion of life and love, has been founded and endowed with its own special laws by the Creator. By its very nature it is ordered to the good of the couple, as well as to the generation and education of children. Christ the Lord raised marriage between the baptized to the dignity of a sacrament (cf. CIC, can. 1055 # 1; cf. GS 48 # 1).

1661 The sacrament of Matrimony signifies the union of Christ and the Church. It gives spouses the grace to love each other with the love with which Christ has loved his Church; the grace of the sacrament thus perfects the human love of the spouses, strengthens their indissoluble unity, and sanctifies them on the way to eternal life (cf. Council of Trent: DS 1799).

1662 Marriage is based on the consent of the contracting parties, that is, on their will to give themselves, each to the other, mutually and definitively, in order to live a covenant of faithful and fruitful love.

1663 Since marriage establishes the couple in a public state of life in the Church, it is fitting that its celebration be public, in the framework of a liturgical celebration, before the priest (or a witness authorized by the Church), the witnesses, and the assembly of the faithful.

1664 Unity, indissolubility, and openness to fertility are essential to marriage. Polygamy is incompatible with the unity of marriage; divorce separates what God has joined together; the refusal of fertility turns married life away from its "supreme gift," the child (GS 50 # 1).

1665 The remarriage of persons divorced from a living, lawful spouse contravenes the plan and law of God as taught by Christ. They are not separated from the Church, but they cannot receive Eucharistic communion. They will lead Christian lives especially by educating their children in the faith.

1666 The Christian home is the place where children receive the first proclamation of the faith. For this reason the family home is rightly called "the domestic church," a community of grace and prayer, a school of human virtues and of Christian charity.

Tell me, do you really think you go to hell for having loved?
Tell me, enough of thinking everything that you've done is good
I really need to know, after soaking the body of Jesus Christ in blood

 

[0bs3n3]

Don't some animals get orgasms as well? I think dolphins do.

Edit: and what about the male g-spot, which is located in the male rectum? Was that made to be enjoyed in a heterosexual marriage as well?

Now how could you know a dolphin has an orgasm lol

EDIT: I thought the existence of a g-spot was unproven, yet alone in males.

 

[SeCKSiiMiNh]

Now how could you know a dolphin has an orgasm lol

EDIT: I thought the existence of a g-spot was unproven, yet alone in males.

I remember reading it earlier in this thread. However, I took the liberty of looking it up for your benefit:

http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/1427-gay-dolphins


I'm so nice

Maybe homosexuals aren't so bad after all.

 

[0bs3n3]

I remember reading it earlier in this thread. However, I took the liberty of looking it up for your benefit:

Gay dolphins | Metro.co.uk


I'm so nice

Maybe homosexuals aren't so bad after all.

I believe we've already had this argument.

 

[Name_Taken]

Tell me, do you really think you go to hell for having loved?

The sin is having homosexual sex or engaging in any act which perverts Gods law regarding love, marriage or sex, not loving another human.

 

[Kwayera]

The sin is having homosexual sex or engaging in any act which perverts Gods law regarding love, marriage or sex, not loving another human.

You have yet to actually state what God's law is regarding sex outside of marriage, citing chapter and verse

 

[Lentern]

The sin is having homosexual sex or engaging in any act which perverts Gods law regarding love, marriage or sex, not loving another human.

Even though the institution of marriage easily predates Abraham nor was it hijacked as a particularly religious thing to long after Jesus. You are a moral vacuum if you can devote yourself to a being whilst believing he will persecute in eternity people who have non marital sex because this same being arbitrarily decided it was wrong and expects people to accept what he says even if its arbitrary. If God is this cruel and nasty being you make him out to be I want nothing to do with him and nor should anyone who has even an iota of moral conviction.

 

[0bs3n3]

nor should anyone who has even an iota of moral conviction.

Wait so everyone's morals are the same?

 

[Kwayera]

Wait so everyone's morals are the same?

From an evolutionary standpoint, the basis of everyone's morals are essentially the same

 

[Iron]

Ffs Kway, it's all outlined in the commandment against adultery (ex 20:14, deut 5:18) and lust (mt 5:27). Do you honestly think that no one has bothered to make a sensible interpretation of this? That youre the first person to question it?

God created man in his own image... male and female: Gen 1:27
God said that it is not good for man to be alone, so a woman was created not for lust, but sincere support: eg Tob 8:4-9
A man leaves his mother and father and becomes one flesh with his wife: Gen 2:24
He blessed them and said Be fruitful and multiply: Gen 1:28
Called to give life, spouses share in the creative power and fatherhood of God: eg Eph 3:14, Mt 23:9
All human generations proceed from this union: Gen 4:1-2, 25-26, 5:1

On the Sermon on the Mount, Christ restores the purity of this origin by saying that adultery springs from the heart and not just actions: Mt 5:27
This union is sacred and unbreakable. What God has joined, let no man put asunder: Mt 19:6


But you err in believing that sacred scripture is our only source of understanding God's will. He sent His Son - the word made flesh - to not only live among us as a man, but to continue to live among us in the Church that He established. Sacred tradition, guided by the holy spirit and ever-trusting in the light of Christ, contributes massively to our cohesive understanding of the holy bible, which cannot and will not be boiled down to a collection of quoted rules. The sacraments of the church -which marriage is just one- encompass a whole culture, a way of life and living, involving solid physical acts and obligations. This sixth commandment has always been understood by the church to encompass all human sexuality.