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I don't understand the whole "science is being neglected" argument when Biology, Phys and Chem are all some of the most taken courses in the HSC, with around 10000+ in the candidature for the latter two and 15000 for Bio. Social sciences are a different story though - Geography has less than 5000 pretty consistently and there was a 10% decrease in the size of the Economics cohort this year.

As far as I'm concerned, it seems more like a tendency of people to "specialise" during the HSC - doing predominantly arts subjects/science subjects/humanities/social sciences without taking a broad range of subjects, but I don't see that the argument that science is dwindling has any merit whatsoever if you just simply look at the numbers.
Physics and Chem have around 10000 each, so does Ancient History and Modern History. Bio has 15000, so does Business Studies. "Social sciences" aren't a discipline...it's actually HSIE or Humanities. In 2010, altogether, the Sciences had 41888 and the Humanities had 77819. Even if you just take the so called "Social sciences" (all Humanities except Ancient History, Modern History and History Extension), they still had 53488, which is still more than Science. Sure you can tell us that Geography and Economics are decreasing in numbers, but when you have Ancient, Modern and Business dominating the Humanities subjects and as well as SOR, it doesn't appear to a "different story". The fact is that the Sciences are being neglected; they are at a decrease in proportion to the increase in the state cohort.
 
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I think its because they don't offer Biochemistry in Years 11-12. :(

Biochemistry as in a complete course, not something you do on your own time in year12 as a sub elective..
would be very popular for potential med students
but then again, theyd be doing at least 1 science anyway usually
 

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haha who else is doing all three sciences like me? =P
Me! :wavey:

One of my old science teachers used to always complain about the science syllabus for years 7-10. They leave you with strict instructions on what to cover so you're only really covering the boring bits. A whole lot of fun things that they used to be able to do have now been banned because it's too dangerous. Looking up something on a computer counts as a prac.

People only have that to gage what the year 11 and 12 sciences will be like.

A lot of people at my school didn't do it cause they considered science boring, or for "smart people".
Agree. Research "pracs" suck. And yeah, so many people think you have to be Sheldon to do physics.
 

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One of my old science teachers used to always complain about the science syllabus for years 7-10. They leave you with strict instructions on what to cover so you're only really covering the boring bits. A whole lot of fun things that they used to be able to do have now been banned because it's too dangerous. Looking up something on a computer counts as a prac.

People only have that to gage what the year 11 and 12 sciences will be like.

A lot of people at my school didn't do it cause they considered science boring, or for "smart people".
This sounds quite similar to the argument I've found Geography teachers use when explaining the lack of interest in the subject.

I'm sure a lot of you know how inane the SC syllabus for Geography was and that has led to a bad taste in the mouth of many students. The Board of Studies really should focus on revamping a lot of their subjects to generate personal interest within a student's thought process. It feels like the Board never really gave a stuff about developing decent courses for Stage 5 students that they are alienating a lot of kids.
 

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HEY ANYONE OUT THERE CONSIDERING DROPPING SCIENCE... DONT!
SCIENCE IS AWESOME!
The kids from our school that have just got their results... all but 2 kids in the class got band 6 results.
i know that 2 of those kids got 98.
seriously... if you want to do well... do science!
i am! here's hoping... =)
 

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HEY ANYONE OUT THERE CONSIDERING DROPPING SCIENCE... DONT!
SCIENCE IS AWESOME!
The kids from our school that have just got their results... all but 2 kids in the class got band 6 results.
i know that 2 of those kids got 98.
seriously... if you want to do well... do science!
i am! here's hoping... =)
That's a bit misleading though. I know people which did no sciences and got crazy good ATARs. Similarly, I know people which did science and got mediocre ATARs.
 
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Yeh better to go really well in any subject then to go bad or even good in well scaling ones, for all of the difference it makes (very little).
 

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Science in my school seems to be decreasing in popularity as well, although this may only because I spend zero time around the science block now (Humanities pride!) I personally found junior science really unengaging- far too specific and formulaic, too much to cover and therefore, not a lot of depth. That being said, it might just be because I had terrible science teachers...
 

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I now have a theory as to why this is. I think it has to do with the publicity (well in my case) of these more academic based subjects. I don't know what most schools are like, but this is what my school was like.
At the start of year 12, I decided to do MX2 as I always liked maths. 4 other people did it with me, which is a lot for my school considering, other then my year, in the past 13 years only 2 people had done it or something like that. Anyways, my principal wanted to cancel the course at the start of the year as he thought it was too hard and we weren't good enough to do it. I then got 99% in my first exam (stupid mistakes :( ) and E4 in both MX1 and MX2 in the HSC. Now, you'd think the school/community would be happy with someone doing well in these more academic based subjects, though the other day, the people who got 90+ atars had interviews with the local paper. We told the guy our atar, what we got 90+ in, and what we wanted to do next year. In the paper, they mentioned how people got 90+ in art, textiles, legal studies, music, ancient history etc. There was no mention of my result in maths, they just said my atar and what I planned to do.
So it seems to me that people nowdays don't really publicize the academic subjects, and they discourage people who try to do them. Throughout school theres always been awards for drama, music, trade subjects, but there is little recognition for people who do well in these academic subjects.

I don't know if this is just my area, or my school (I live on the mid north coast, so im not in some big sydney school :p) but it really seems like the schools don't like kids doing these kinds of subjects. Probably only like 20% of my year did any science subjects, if that. It is disappointing. Theres needs to be more publicity, more competitions to involve kids in science to try to encourage them, rather push them away.

Again, I don't know if it's like this everywhere, but that's just my 2 cents.
 

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Anyway, isn't the usual argument for compulsory English that international students were getting high UAI's with poor english skills?
Wait, what? I don't know a single international student...and coming from a school like mine...
 

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I agree with some of the previous posters. The new 'Physics For Everyone' syllabus has too much emphasis on environment and society. Too much rote learning. I have a textbook for the old syllabus, and it's much more interesting and challenging.
 

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Does this mean scaling will become more elastic?
Scaling is never fixed. It depends on the cohort which scaling is being undertaken. Last year's scaling didn't affect this year's scaling.
 

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dropping science was possibly the best decision i've made during school. no matter how hard i tried, that shit never made sense to me
 

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