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View attachment 28510 I hope it's correct... may not be though :p lol
Yep well done, however for the last part I would have liked some better justification of how the term, converges to zero

One way is that:



We know the second limit converges to zero, because (sketch the graph of 2^(-n))

 
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Was my answer for the above question correct?
For ii)
P=2(x+y)
y=P/2 -x
A= x(P/2 -x)
A= Px/2 -x^2
A'= P/2 - 2x
Let A'= 0
2x = P/2
x=P/4
Sub back into A=xy, for area to be maximum it has to be square (bs skill over 9000) Therefore (P/4)^2 = P^2/16
 

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Was my answer for the above question correct?
For ii)
P=2(x+y)
y=P/2 -x
A= x(P/2 -x)
A= Px/2 -x^2
A'= P/2 - 2x
Let A'= 0
2x = P/2
x=P/4
Sub back into A=xy, for area to be maximum it has to be square (bs skill over 9000) Therefore (P/4)^2 = P^2/16
For the above answer, when differentiating ln(y) with respect to x you get: instead of

It is correct except for the 1 on the LHS, it should be y'

And for your solution, it is correct except for the part where you assume the area if a maximum if its a square, instead of subbing into A=xy, you can just sub it into A=x(P/2 - x), but that isn't how I intended the solution to come about, you are supposed to use the result from part (i) and not need to use differentiation =)
 
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For the above answer, when differentiating ln(y) with respect to x you get: instead of

It is correct except for the 1 on the LHS, it should be y'

And for your solution, it is correct except for the part where you assume the area if a maximum if its a square, instead of subbing into A=xy, you can just sub it into A=x(P/2 - x), but that isn't how I intended the solution to come about, you are supposed to use the result from part (i) and not need to use differentiation =)
I knew the 1 was wrong lol
The only reason why I used differentiation for that question was because I don't know how to solve part i -.-''
 

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I knew the 1 was wrong lol
The only reason why I used differentiation for that question was because I don't know how to solve part i -.-''
HINT:

If you look at the function given and the inequality that you need to prove, it seems that through differentiation we need to prove that
 

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HINT:

If you look at the function given and the inequality that you need to prove, it seems that through differentiation we need to prove that
Is there a reason you want them to prove it using differentiation exactly?
 

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Is there a reason you want them to prove it using differentiation exactly?
Not really, I just thought since maxima/minima is a big part of the 2U course, they might as well utilise it.
And I'm divided in 2U whether to just ask it straight away or to give a hint (Using (a-b)^2 > 0 etc)
 

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HINT:

If you look at the function given and the inequality that you need to prove, it seems that through differentiation we need to prove that
y = (a+x) - 2(ax)^1/2
y' = 1- a(ax)^-1/2
y' = 1 - a/(ax)^1/2
y' = ((ax)^1/2 - a)/(ax)^1/2
Let y' = 0
(ax)^1/2 -a = 0
a^2 = ax
x = a
a+x = 2(ax)^1/2
2a = 2(a^2)^1/2
2a = 2a
Therefore a+x=2(ax)^1/2
Is this even...an answer?
 

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y = (a+x) - 2(ax)^1/2
y' = 1- a(ax)^-1/2
y' = 1 - a/(ax)^1/2
y' = ((ax)^1/2 - a)/(ax)^1/2
Let y' = 0
(ax)^1/2 -a = 0
a^2 = ax
x = a
a+x = 2(ax)^1/2
2a = 2(a^2)^1/2
2a = 2a
Therefore a+x=2(ax)^1/2
Is this even...an answer?
Yes x=a is the minimum of the function, this means that f(x) > f(a)
However we aren't proving equality, we are proving the inequality here. Try and use the fact that f(x) > f(a)
 

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Yes x=a is the minimum of the function, this means that f(x) > f(a)
However we aren't proving equality, we are proving the inequality here. Try and use the fact that f(x) > f(a)
How is that possible when we're essentially subbing in the same thing? :confused:
 

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How is that possible when we're essentially subbing in the same thing? :confused:
Since x=a is a minimum of the function f(x) for any value of x > 0
Then if we pick say x=1 (if a=/=1) then f(1) > f(a) right?

If you sketch the graph of f(x), then when x=a, it is a minimum value and the rest of the function is greater than or equal to it.
Its like saying

(x^2+3) > 3

but 3 = f(0) anyway, its a constant, so if f(x) = x^2 + 3, since when x=0 is a minimum, then f(x) > f(0).

I hope I've explained it properly
 

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Where is your dy/dx?
I know, should've put y' instead of 1/y
Since x=a is a minimum of the function f(x) for any value of x > 0
Then if we pick say x=1 (if a=/=1) then f(1) > f(a) right?

If you sketch the graph of f(x), then when x=a, it is a minimum value and the rest of the function is greater than or equal to it.
Its like saying

(x^2+3) > 3

but 3 = f(0) anyway, its a constant, so if f(x) = x^2 + 3, since when x=0 is a minimum, then f(x) > f(0).

I hope I've explained it properly
Oh, I see now. Thanks ^^
 

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