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Do you mean differentiate? If so, did you mean:

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You need to differentiate both sides with respect to x, remembering that y is a function of x - i.e. so then apply this knowledge when you do:

- remembering to use chain rule/product rule where needed
 

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Are you sure that it's Extension 1? It looks more like an Extension 2 question.
 

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Yep extension 1 and sorryr yeah I meant differentiate
 

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WHOa ok I've never done this before, can you please show me the method?sorry
 
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If this is Ext1, you will need to rearrange the equation so that y is the subject.
 

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WHOa ok I've never done this before, can you please show me the method?sorry
Yeah the method that asianese showed is implicit differentiation, which only comes up in Extension 2.
 

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I can't make y the subject, it comes out as like x^2= (7-y^2)/(1-y)
 
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Actually you can't make y the subject lol. Leave the question since it is for MX2 only. Yeah lol dw about it.
 
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I'll show you the method anyway - the process is called 'implicit differentiation' because y is 'implicitly' - (NOT explicitly - y is not the subject here!) defined as a function of x. (We usually assume y is a function of x anyway)

So in the normal way, we can apply the 'differentiation operator', to both sides of the function. Our goal is to find .

Now we have

and differentiating term by term, we get that

. Now, we consider the first term in y^2 - use the chain rule. Remember if we had something like , to differentiate, bring down the power, then multiply by the derivative of the inside function. Do the same with y^2, except the 'inside function' is actually y itself, so its derivative is indeed . Repeat this process with the second term in x^2y, but remember this will have to ulilise the product rule - x^2 is multiplied by y, as well as a chain rule, since y is a function of x.

Once we have all our s appearing, collect all these on one side and rearrange to produce the result.

The final answer should be
 
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Wow thanks man!! So you're certaini that this wont be tested in MX1 exams yeah? It was in a MX1 textbook - odd..
 

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What? I learnt implicit differentiation in year 11 MX1. It's not a MX2 technique :S
 

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Whaaaat now I'm really confused?! This thing was from Terry Lee.

There is actually a chapter on implicit diff in Cambridge but it says Extension or something.
@QZP, were you ever tested in an exam on it?
 

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What? I learnt implicit differentiation in year 11 MX1. It's not a MX2 technique :S
Your teacher probably taught it to you because it isn't a difficult concept, and it can help with some of the nastier 3U differentials, but it is a 4U technique. 3U will never get a question that involves implicit differentiation.
 
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Whaaaat now I'm really confused?! This thing was from Terry Lee.

There is actually a chapter on implicit diff in Cambridge but it says Extension or something.
@QZP, were you ever tested in an exam on it?

Terry Lee has a habit of not reading syllabi when he writes textbooks. Ignore it.
 

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Oh okay, I didn't know it was part of MX2. Thanks :)

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I wasn't tested on it, but honestly it's not all that hard to learn. And it makes the whole process of differentiation a lot cleaner (viewing d/dx as an operator vs. as a limiting process by first principles). I'd recommend knowing it whether or not it's in your test :p
 

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What? I learnt implicit differentiation in year 11 MX1. It's not a MX2 technique :S
some people learn it in Extension 1 because as pointed out elsewhere in this thread it is in a chapter as an "extension" topic in the cambridge prelim 3u book. It is technically within mx2 but by that stage you should have the mathematical knowledge to understand it so you can learn it now but it is unlikely to be examinable in a 3u exam (although if your school makes it's own exams and you went through this topic at school it is best to confirm with the teacher if it will be examined)
 

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Don't worry about it.

You will NEVER get this in a MX1 HSC paper.

It is too unfair.
 

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