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Should we have similar protection of our right to bear arms here in Australia? So far the debate has been about whether access to guns reduces or increase crime. In my view this is not the most important reason for allowing ordinary citizens to own guns: I am not a conspiracy theorist of...

Re: Refugees leach over half a billion dollars of tax payer money in the last 24 mont It was just a generalization. We were talking about refugees as a group. Since they come from poor countries, and often their skills are not recognized here, on average they would be less educated and less...

There's a huge difference. With afternoon detention, the threat is real and will be invoked if you do continue to misbehave. This threat of beating the child with a riding crop was empty. Once a child (or indeed anyone) realizes that someone is making hollow threats whcih they won't follow...

Re: Refugees leach over half a billion dollars of tax payer money in the last 24 mont They almost certainly do claim more welfare (and I don't mean that in a disparaging way) because they come here with very little skills, poor education, and are often unable to speak English. Although I...

Good points. However, the incentives in play would be different with pedophiles because they are so universally hated. Although people tend not to care much about the abuse of the environment, or faceless Africans, people get extremely emotional (even hysterical) about pedophiles living in...

Well that's swell. Link me to the long rant on blacklists.

Nab bro, hitting children is "for their own good," but raping them isn't. and who is to be the judge of what is for someone else's own good? Whoever has the most power with which to enforce their will on others. Makes perfect sense.

Re: Refugees leach over half a billion dollars of tax payer money in the last 24 mont Well all refugees are not welfare leeches. Does anyone actually know if in aggregate they increase or decrease government revenues? Even if they are a net liability to government revenues, it may still be...

People have a right to act in defense of other people, so concerned parties could legitimately act against the pedophile organization. At the very least without using any violence at all, the majority of people who would be vehemently opposed to such a group could use blacklisting and public...

Obviously I believe private security organizations could do a better job, but this is not the thread for discussing that. I would agree that the state intervening is a better alternative than parents having an assumed right to control their children.

Well then that's because of your previous failings as a parent. Be a bit creative, there's lots of ways to punish a child that don't involve violence. Even just yelling at them is often enough to scare them and make them realize they have done something wrong. Also if a child is so young that...

Nonsense. If you're close enough to the child to administer a smack, you're close enough to grab them and physically restrain them from running onto the road. Hitting them will teach them nothing. You need to explain to the child that the road is dangerous and they could be hit by a car and...

You're assuming good parents, who are teaching their children good values. People don't need to have "good" values beaten into them. Its questionable whether this teaches children anything. All they learn is that bad behavior will result in a smack. Without further explanation of why the...

Well I seriously doubt whether a 4 year old would be able to make a genuine attempt at running away from home. But if they were that determined to leave home at such a young age, it would indicate something seriously wrong with the parents, and it would probably be very dangerous to force them...

Although I think hitting children is bad and counterproductive, I must admit it can be justified as consistent with the non-aggression axiom. Children are dependent on their parents for support. If they choose to leave home and support themselves, the parents would not be justified in forcing...

Still dodging the question. It's a hypothetical. Suppose they want to lock you up for some arbitrary reason (i.e. because you like cookies). If the choice is either kill the henchmen or spend 20 years in confinement, what would you choose? Although a better example would be rape. Would you...

You conveniently dodged the question about a non-state kidnapper. Would you spend 20 years in prison like conditions to let a non-government henchman live? Yeah and I could argue that if you don't like paying protection money to the Mafia, you should leave their neighborhood. The point...

Re: Refugees leach over half a billion dollars of tax payer money in the last 24 mont Not really, the gradual elimination of the welfare state is a worthwhile, achievable goal. Having almost no welfare seemed to work pretty well for the United States for about 200 years. People are free to...

Well parenting without violence or threats of violence worked for my parents and many people I know. Just because something works doesn't mean it is the best way to do something. If we gave people the death penalty for drink driving, it would probably WORK and greatly reduce drink driving...

No. You fail to understand what excessive force means. Excessive force means using more force than is necessary to prevent the attacker from harming you. It does not have to be perfectly in proportion to the harm that would eventuate if they did attack you. Consider if someone other than the...