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That is not an answer to what I said. I know kids do stupid things. It doesn't explain what was the point of brandishing the riding crop?

A mafia henchman may simply be doing his job, but the moment he threatens your life and liberty you become entitled to defend your life and liberty. It is possible, although unlikely that the only way to defend yourself may be by killing the police officer. The police officer has willingly...

Well then what was the whole point of the whole charade if they knew you would never do anything that would warrant the use of the riding crop anyway. If as you say, the threat of a smack was enough to ensure your obedience, why would anyone but a sadistic parent psychologically fuck with their...

Re: Refugees leach over half a billion dollars of tax payer money in the last 24 mont Once again, the problem is obviously the welfare state. People would not want to come to Australia without welfare, free education, free healthcare ect unless they were prepared to work hard. If they are...

It's much more likely that terrorists would come here on planes, with legal visas (just like the 9/11 hijackers did). Should we ban all tourists, expat workers ect. Why is special vitriol reserved for desperate people who come here on boats?

Fortunately it will never pass. There would be too much public outrage.

He is being consistent. He is saying the initiation of violence is always wrong, and if violence is initiated against you, you have a right to defend yourself. So a parent using violence against a child is wrong, just as a police officer using violence against someone for a victimless crime is...

If the child consistently defies the parent and the riding crop is never used, the child will soon realize that the threat is empty and it will cease to become effective. Its a risky play, because once the child realises this they will loose respect for the parent and will be less scared by...

You tell me, if someone spanked you lightly on the bum (against your will), would you count it as violence or at least a criminal invasion of your body?

Re: Refugees leach over half a billion dollars of tax payer money in the last 24 mont . You're assuming he government can actually be successful at patroling thousands of miles of coastline and turning away enough immigrants to severly deter them. The government is notoriously bad at...

Re: Refugees leach over half a billion dollars of tax payer money in the last 24 mont The problem isn't immigrants. The problem is the welfare state.

I think you are conflating logic with poorly written, fictional dialogue.

100% agree with the OP. His best point has still not been unanswered by the violence advocates/trolls: Why is it okay to hit a child if they do something "wrong", but it is a serious crime to hit another adult? The only difference I can think of is the child has no way of fighting back, which...

Not to mention the deliberate limitation of the number of places for Australian trained doctors and surgeons. Most things done by a GP could easily be done by a nurse or pharmacist for less. But doctors have got a great racket going where they do easy work for high pay. Its a joke. If we really...

Well there is no one correct way to measure the size of government, but surely one of the best ways is to look at government spending as a percentage of GDP. In developed countries it has consistently increased over the past century. In the United States it has gone from 7% in 1903 to to 45% in...

The government does not create a forum for public debate at all. It creates a tiny closed forum for pointless discussion between no more than a few hundred individuals. So much more real discussion takes place on the internet, or simply between interested parties. Without the government people...

The OP specifically said "The idea of a rational human underpins economics and indeed the concepts of a free society and a free market generally." What I said was completely relevant. What don't you understand? If people are irrational individually, what reason do we have to think that these...

Either way, free markets are still the best option. If people are rational, then they can make rational choices for themselves, so intervention is unnecessary. If people are irrational, free markets are still best because democracy depends on all people voting (including the irrational...

Its going to happen anyway regardless of what the Australian government does. Without extra taxes and regulations we will have more wealth which we can use to protect ourselves from the effects of climate change.

OP: Just because climate change is real does not mean that the government is the solution. We are better off allowing climate change to happen, and if people are concerned about it they should save their own money and take precautions to deal with it. Climate change is going to happen...