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2008 Presidential Election - Obama v McCain (2 Viewers)

Who would you vote for?

  • Barrack Obama

    Votes: 380 76.0%
  • John Mccain

    Votes: 120 24.0%

  • Total voters
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Iron

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He was pretty average against Hillary. Up against a man, he can be aggressive. Wonder what that will look like? Actually, not much different. Old war hero. Obama will be pretty tame.
I think Iraq qs will favour McCain, as will 'moral issues' (gay marriage, abortion...)
Obama will zero in on the economy and McCain's similarity to Bush. Best McCain can hope for is a stalemate on the economy bc of Obama's slight tax increase, and push the maverick line.
At any rate, McCain has to perform solidly to make up for the ground lost by the financial crisis. Obama just has to make sure he doesnt vomit all overhimself, whip out his wang, dress as a Zulu and demonstrate how he will mandate abortions
 

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Iron said:
He was pretty average against Hillary. Up against a man, he can be aggressive. Wonder what that will look like? Actually, not much different. Old war hero. Obama will be pretty tame.
I think Iraq qs will favour McCain, as will 'moral issues' (gay marriage, abortion...)
Obama will zero in on the economy and McCain's similarity to Bush. Best McCain can hope for is a stalemate on the economy bc of Obama's slight tax increase, and push the maverick line.
At any rate, McCain has to perform solidly to make up for the ground lost by the financial crisis. Obama just has to make sure he doesnt vomit all overhimself, whip out his wang, dress as a Zulu and demonstrate how he will mandate abortions
haha the McCain campaign forced the debate committee to dumb-down the VP debates (I wonder why?). Palin is the the latest neocon puppet.

obama is SLOW talker. watch his debates with alan keyes on youtube. Keyes would've destroyed him if he wasn't completely insane.
 

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Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others!
 

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Iron said:
He was pretty average against Hillary. Up against a man, he can be aggressive. Wonder what that will look like? Actually, not much different. Old war hero. Obama will be pretty tame.
I think Iraq qs will favour McCain, as will 'moral issues' (gay marriage, abortion...)
Obama will zero in on the economy and McCain's similarity to Bush. Best McCain can hope for is a stalemate on the economy bc of Obama's slight tax increase, and push the maverick line.
At any rate, McCain has to perform solidly to make up for the ground lost by the financial crisis. Obama just has to make sure he doesnt vomit all overhimself, whip out his wang, dress as a Zulu and demonstrate how he will mandate abortions
do you think 'The Worm' will be utilised in these televised debates?
 

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lol Alan Keyes. Man after my own heart. Also liked the Strangelove accent. Thanks for that.
Obama was pretty shocking in that debate though. He should have ripped into him. Instead, he was painfully reserved, slow etc. This Obama aint no fighter, that's for true.

edit, dont know hal. But youd have to guess that if it were, it would go nuts for Obama
 

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i said this a while ago and nothing has changed over the last few days:

McCain built his entire campaign around a single subject. That is nat'l security. One would think he would know... oh I don't know... the names of all the countries in the world (as they are in 2008) and be fully briefed on all measures pertaining to the Iraq conflict as, again, he is building he entire campaign on the strength of his nat'l security "expertise."

John McCain isn't here to inspire thw world with rousing speeches. He isn't here to rescue the struggling United States economy. He isn't here to restore the shattered "American Dream." He claims he's here to guide us through "the war."

When's the last time you heard something as fucked up as that??
McCain = fail


oh, i would also want to know from pro- mcCain wankers why the fuck would they vote for johny boy over obama. WHY?
 
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Yeah at 'debate camp' Obama is training to get to the point faster. XD
 

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http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24388214-601,00.html
McCain pledges to renew Australian alliance:
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AUSTRALIA has looked to the US for leadership on global climate change and it is "time for us to answer that call", John McCain says.

Writing in today's The Australian, the US Republican presidential candidate says he will work with the Rudd Government to establish a global framework that would encourage China and India to become part of the solution to man-made climate change. Senator McCain says he is committed to a market-based cap-and-trade system aimed at reducing carbon emissions. And he wants a closer bilateral partnership on other key issues such as nuclear proliferation, trade liberalisation and combating terrorism.

On nuclear proliferation, Senator McCain warns that Americans and Australians face unprecedented challenges and says a McCain administration would lead by example by pushing for an international ban on fissile materials to be used in nuclear weapons and by reducing the US nuclear stockpile.

"Australia is a key partner in our efforts to reverse both the Iranian and North Korean nuclear programs ... I will also work with Australia and other allies to make the International Atomic Energy Agency more effective," he says.

In a passionate evocation of a bilateral friendship spanning 100 years, Senator McCain cites president Theodore Roosevelt's dispatch of the Great White Fleet to Sydney in 1908 as the event that "forged an inseparable bond" between the US and Australia.

"A century ago, Theodore Roosevelt understood the sources and purpose of American power," Senator McCain writes. "He championed reform and protection of the environment; he spoke out against tyranny; and he demanded that America stay true to the principles it espoused, both at home and abroad.

"I believe that we must return to these same qualities if we are to continue earning the trust and friendship from Australia that have been so critical to America's role in the world since 1908."

Senator McCain calls for a re-invigoration of the US alliances with key allies in Asia.

"Our alliance with Australia sets the standard," he writes. "Our ally Japan has proven a strong and reliable partner to both theUS and Australia. South Korea is taking on new global responsibilities.

"We can reinvigorate our traditional alliances with Thailand and The Philippines and build on newly strengthened partnerships with Singapore and India."

Senator McCain believes a commitment by the US to its key allies in Asia will set the stage for an American engagement with China that "builds on the many areas of common interest we share with Beijing and encourages candour and progress in those areas where China has not fulfilled its responsibilities as a global power".

"Our shared challenge is to convince the Chinese leadership that their nation's remarkable success rests ultimately on whether they can translate economic development into a more

"Three generations later our friendship is stronger than open and tolerant political process at home, and a more responsible foreign policy abroad."

Senator McCain said US leadership was also necessary on multilateral trade. "I believe that free trade agreements - like those we have entered into with Australia and Singapore and have negotiated with South Korea - are critical building blocks for an open and inclusive economic order in the Asia-Pacific region."

Senator McCain recalled that in 1908 the 16 battleships of the Great White Fleet had steamed into Sydney harbour to be greeted by hundreds of thousands of Australians. "On board the gunboat Panay, patrolling the Philippine archipelago, a young midshipman named John Sidney McCain - my grandfather - shared in the Navy's pride at Roosevelt's audacious gesture," he writes.

"Three generations later our friendship is stronger than ever, but so too are our challenges and opportunities. If elected president of the US, I will look to Australia to help us navigate these challenges and to fulfil the promise that our grandparents and great-grandparents discovered about our partnership a century ago."
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An extraordinary move for a candidate in the middle of a tight race
 

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Which McCain aide wrote that? The American expat vote has already been tapped by the democrats
 

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How can someone vote for Mcain?? I mean we have just had 8 years of republican bumbling.

we all live with the consequences.

Obama '08 people!

How can someone admire people like Thatcher, Mcain, Bush, Howard, Fraser, Rudd (sigh), Turnbull etc

They are simply people who are hell bent on making gradual change to a situation that allows most of the wealth in the world to be kept in the smallest percentage of population.

"workers of the world unite! you have nothing to lose but your chains!"

The US just pumped a trillion dollars into a corrupt and unregulated lasse faire economists, truly socialist ideals. Why is socialism only acceptable for the rich?? more to the point why do morons like some posting still go for that?? over priveleged, underworked, Private school rugby players! Whose daddy's drive BMW's and Lexus'

For the 3 trillion invested in an illegal war in Iraq and the trillion that the US pumped into the banks they could have regulated their economy at no cost to the 'average taxpayer', they could have had a gold plated health system, free uni and gone a long way to fighting climate change...

"all men are created equal"

All the inteligent people will vote for Obama/Biden (brilliant/experienced) not Mcain/Palin (old/stupid) however as one of the most insightful presidential nominees for the democrats once said (you can research who) in reply to one of his staffers telling him:

"all of the thinking people in America will vote for you"

"I fear that will not be enough"

The same still rings true for todays situation.
 

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katie tully said:
Oh no.

Communists.

You know, I can't take it anymore.
Well don't then.

Go and seclude yourself in a mountain somewhere and remove all of your neo-con ideas from our system.

You are not welcome.
 
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Hitchens on Obama

Is Obama Another Dukakis?Why is Obama so vapid, hesitant, and gutless?

By Christopher Hitchens
Updated Monday, Sept. 22, 2008, at 12:17 PM ET Michael Dukakis and Barack Obama


Last week really ought to have been the end of the McCain campaign. With the whole country feeling (and its financial class acting) as if we lived in a sweltering, bankrupt banana republic, and with this misery added to the generally Belarusian atmosphere that surrounds any American trying to board a train, catch a plane, fill a prescription, or get a public servant or private practitioner on the phone, it was surely the moment for the supposedly reform candidate to assume a commanding position. And the Republican nominee virtually volunteered to assist that outcome by making an idiot of himself several times over, moving from bovine and Panglossian serenity about the state of the many, many crippled markets to sudden bursts of pointless hyperactivity such as the irrelevant demand to sack the chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission.
And yet, and unless I am about to miss some delayed "groundswell" or mood shift, none of this has translated into any measurable advantage for the Democrat. There are three possible reasons for such a huge failure on Barack Obama's part. The first, and the most widely canvassed, is that he is too nice, too innocent, too honest, and too decent to get down in the arena and trade bloody thrusts with the right-wing enemy. (This is rapidly becoming the story line that will achieve mythic status, along with allegations of racial and religious rumor-mongering, if he actually loses in November.) The second is that crisis and difficulty, at home and abroad, sometimes make electors slightly more likely to trust the existing establishment, or some version of it, than any challenger or newcomer, however slight. The third is that Obama does not, and perhaps even cannot, represent "change" for the very simple reason that the Democrats are a status quo party.


To analyze this is to be obliged to balance some of the qualities of Obama's own personality with some of the characteristics of his party. Here's a swift test. Be honest. What sentence can you quote from his convention speech in Denver? I thought so. All right, what about his big rally speech in Berlin? Just as I guessed. OK, help me out: Surely you can manage to cite a line or two from his imperishable address on race (compared by some liberal academics to Gettysburg itself) in Philadelphia? No, not the line about his white grandmother. Some other line. Oh, dear. Now do you see what I mean?


Why is Obama so vapid and hesitant and gutless? Why, to put it another way, does he risk going into political history as a dusky Dukakis? Well, after the self-imposed Jeremiah Wright nightmare, he can't afford any more militancy, or militant-sounding stuff, even if it might be justified. His other problems are self-inflicted or party-inflicted as well. He couldn't have picked a gifted Democratic woman as his running mate, because he couldn't have chosen a female who wasn't the ever-present Sen. Clinton, and so he handed the free gift of doing so to his Republican opponent (whose own choice has set up a screech from the liberals like nothing I have heard since the nomination of Clarence Thomas). So the unquantifiable yet important "atmospherics" of politics, with all their little X factors, belong at present to the other team.
The Dukakis comparison is, of course, a cruel one, but it raises a couple more questions that must be faced. We are told by outraged Democrats that many voters still believe, thanks to some smear job, that Sen. Obama is a Muslim. Yet who is the most famous source of this supposedly appalling libel (as if an American candidate cannot be of any religion or none)? Absent any anonymous whispering campaign, the person who did most to insinuate the idea in public—"There is nothing to base that on. As far as I know"—was Obama's fellow Democrat and the junior senator from New York. It was much the same in 1988, when Al Gore brought up the Dukakis furlough program, later to be made infamous by the name Willie Horton, against the hapless governor of Massachusetts who was then his rival for the nomination.


By the end of that grueling campaign season, a lot of us had got the idea that Dukakis actually wanted to lose—or was at the very least scared of winning. Why do I sometimes get the same idea about Obama? To put it a touch more precisely, what I suspect in his case is that he had no idea of winning this time around. He was running in Iowa and New Hampshire to seed the ground for 2012, not 2008, and then the enthusiasm of his supporters (and the weird coincidence of a strong John Edwards showing in Iowa) put him at the front of the pack. Yet, having suddenly got the leadership position, he hadn't the faintest idea what to do with it or what to do about it.


Look at the record, and at Obama's replies to essential and pressing questions. The surge in Iraq? I'll answer that only if you insist. The credit crunch? Please may I be photographed with Bill Clinton's economic team? Georgia? After you, please, Sen. McCain. A vice-presidential nominee? What about a guy who, despite his various qualities, is picked because he has almost no enemies among Democratic interest groups?
I ran into a rather clever Republican operative at the airport last week, who pointed out to me that this ought by rights to be a Democratic Party year across the board, from the White House to the Congress to the gubernatorial races. But there was a crucial energy leak, and it came from the very top. More people doubted Obama's qualifications for the presidency in September than had told the pollsters they had doubted these credentials in July. "So what he ought to do," smiled this man, "is spend his time closing that gap and less time attacking McCain." Obama's party hacks, increasingly white and even green about the gills, are telling him to do the opposite. I suppose this could even mean that Sarah Palin, down the road, will end up holding the door open for Hillary Clinton. Such joy!

Spot on. Why isn't Obama grinding McCain into the dust and storming on?
 

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