Anyone who's interested in New Generation degrees for next year (2 Viewers)

[addikaye03]

im unsure whether i want to study BEng ( 4 years) or Bsci then go onto masters of engineering. My Q is: is Masters of engineering an equal level of accreditation as one would receive from BENG? And (for my friend) can one still undertake masters of engineering if they do not recieve a UAI/ENTER of 95?

 

[cute.asa.button]

I'm not an expert in Engineering or engineering courses, but generally speaking a Masters degree is a higher level than bachelor, because you have to complete a bachelor before doing masters. Bachelor degrees are base level, masters is postgraduate.

As for the second question, I don't believe you need to have an ENTER of 95 to get into the MAsters of Engineering. As long as you get into undergraduate science (if at melbourne uni), you will be able to apply for the masters of engineering at the end, however you will need a high mark average over the course of your undergraduate degree in order to be offered a place in the masters of Engineering, and will be competing against many other students wishing to be accepted. If you have a 95 ENTER, you get a guaranteed place, meaning that as long as you have a good average over your ugrad degree, you will be guaranteed a place in the masters of eng, without having to compete with everyone else who is applying. So it is easier to get in if you have an Enter over 95, but still possible without one.

Hope that makes sense/is helpful!

 

[rhi191]

Hey guys

As a currnet Melbourne Uni student (I start 2nd year this year) I would just like to say to you all that the melbourne model isn't that bad. It can be brilliant or it can be terrible. It all matters on the subjects you pick and how open you are to the experience.

I am doing a bachelor of science but the Melbourne Model has allowed me to learn that I hate chemistry and I suck at physics and I love Geology, They encourage you to study such a diverse range of subjects which they may not at other uni's and you can easily get more specialised in second year- its not all just a 'general degree'!!!

Breadth (the stuff you have to do outside of your degree) can be really annoying but they are bringing out more and more subjects for you to try and some of them are actually quite interesting. It is also a (very unofficial) way for a science student to try and minimise their workload by picking arts subjects that interest them. I did a history/ecology subject and a criminology subject. The crim one I found especially interesting.

It jsut gives you something different to do. Next semester I am enrolled in a subject called Genes Health and society about the ethics of the human genome project for breadth which is similar to what I want to do with my life. Breadth has made that subject avalible to me.

I will admit I like to bitch about it and I still maintain it should be optional but really guys, everyone gives Melbourne so much crap for it. I have had the best year there and with ANY major change and ANY university there are going to be teething problems.

Melbourne is a great university so give them a shot!

Any questions for a students perspective or whatever please pm me or post here or whatever is the go with this website.

Thanks for reading my immensely long post

and sorry for any spelling/grammatical errors.

Rhi

 

[Joel8945]

Well, for some it may take longer. However, for me, as i want to do medicine, it only adds an extra year, plus after 4 years i am in hospitals. Joel8945, I will hopefully see you there, maybe in chemistry?

ENTER score wise what did you get? What do you want to do medicine wise

 

[Joel8945]

im unsure whether i want to study BEng ( 4 years) or Bsci then go onto masters of engineering. My Q is: is Masters of engineering an equal level of accreditation as one would receive from BENG? And (for my friend) can one still undertake masters of engineering if they do not recieve a UAI/ENTER of 95?

Ok the answer to this question I have been asking myself for ages and on the 18/12/08 it was answered. Getting a 95 is a guarentee that you'll get into the MEng under a CSP placement (Basically where the government pays for your degree - You'll have this done for you with your undergraduate), considering you finish your undergraduate degree with an H3 average. If you don't get 95 you still have a chance to get into the MEng but you wont have that guarentee so you may be offered nothing, a full fee placement or the CSP. Note: With full fee you take out a loan but it has an interest associated with it. I'm not jumping into the BEng since I'm only trying it out. Both have the exact same accreditation only after this year you can't take the BEng path.

 

[Joel8945]

Hey guys

As a currnet Melbourne Uni student (I start 2nd year this year) I would just like to say to you all that the melbourne model isn't that bad. It can be brilliant or it can be terrible. It all matters on the subjects you pick and how open you are to the experience.

I am doing a bachelor of science but the Melbourne Model has allowed me to learn that I hate chemistry and I suck at physics and I love Geology, They encourage you to study such a diverse range of subjects which they may not at other uni's and you can easily get more specialised in second year- its not all just a 'general degree'!!!

Breadth (the stuff you have to do outside of your degree) can be really annoying but they are bringing out more and more subjects for you to try and some of them are actually quite interesting. It is also a (very unofficial) way for a science student to try and minimise their workload by picking arts subjects that interest them. I did a history/ecology subject and a criminology subject. The crim one I found especially interesting.

It jsut gives you something different to do. Next semester I am enrolled in a subject called Genes Health and society about the ethics of the human genome project for breadth which is similar to what I want to do with my life. Breadth has made that subject avalible to me.

I will admit I like to bitch about it and I still maintain it should be optional but really guys, everyone gives Melbourne so much crap for it. I have had the best year there and with ANY major change and ANY university there are going to be teething problems.

Melbourne is a great university so give them a shot!

Any questions for a students perspective or whatever please pm me or post here or whatever is the go with this website.

Thanks for reading my immensely long post

and sorry for any spelling/grammatical errors.

Rhi

Thanks for your response. I don't care how long you make a post if its relevant it is like finding gold. I'm considering studying criminology as a breadth subject and the ethics of the human genome project looks very interesting. I would love to study genetics at uni and chemistry aswell but I'm considering giving engineering a go so neither could really fit into my first year subject list. Two subjects I know that are a definate are maths and physics.

 

[daeneee]

Victorian Certificate of Education (VCE) Units 3 and 4
A study score of at least 30 in English (ESL) or 25 in any other English, at least 35 in Chemistry and at least 25 in one of Biology, Mathematical Methods (either), Specialist Mathematics or Physics



hey does anyone know what the mark needed for the HSC chemistry would be?

 

[Joel8945]

Victorian Certificate of Education (VCE) Units 3 and 4
A study score of at least 30 in English (ESL) or 25 in any other English, at least 35 in Chemistry and at least 25 in one of Biology, Mathematical Methods (either), Specialist Mathematics or Physics



hey does anyone know what the mark needed for the HSC chemistry would be?

I'm guessing you are wanting to do Biomedicine! You can always ask the university what HSC chemistry score converts to in a VCE chemistry score. What did you get for chemistry? A 35 is awarded to the top 26% of the state and a 25 is awarded to basically 80% of the state. I don't know how your system works so if you get a score that is awarded to the top 26% of the state or higher, I'm sure that's sufficient. But ask the university!

 

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I agree completely with rhi191: I'm also going into second year of the melbourne model, doing Arts.

Breadth can be anything you make it, or can be completely useless if you don't bother looking for things that interest you. I tried economics in first semester last year because I though it would complement my politics studies, and thought I should give it a go. Having never done economics before, I wasn't sure I would like it at all. Turns out I do like it and am really good at it, so now, thanks to breadth, I can do a major in it.

Other friends I have aren't interested in anything outside their faculty and thought they would be stuck with subjects they didn't like. But then they discovered you can do music subjects as breadth, anywhere from and advanced violin quartet to beginners african drumming, and electric guitar groups. All you need to do to pass is attend a certain number of the rehearsals/practice sessions. It was an easy, relaxing and enjoyable subject for them.

One other friend wants to do the Juris Doctor when she finishes arts, and was able to do some faculty of law subjects as breadth to try it out.

So there are tonnes of options in breadth, and sometimes it can really enrich your degree. (In my opinion

 

[Joel8945]

hsc=suicide,

What are you majoring in with your BSc degree?

 

[jozza80]

To all who have contributed to this thread, thankyou - so many questions answered!

I got a UAI of 89 and like nic, want to do medicine.

Is it right to say that I can pick the same subjects (roughly) as a biomedicine degree, esp. with a major in Immunology/Physiology/Human Structure etc..??

Also, I am a bit stuck with choice (hopefully) between Biomed Monash and Science Melb, any fors and againsts I should know about?

Hopefully see you all next soon!

 

[addikaye03]

Ok the answer to this question I have been asking myself for ages and on the 18/12/08 it was answered. Getting a 95 is a guarentee that you'll get into the MEng under a CSP placement (Basically where the government pays for your degree - You'll have this done for you with your undergraduate), considering you finish your undergraduate degree with an H3 average. If you don't get 95 you still have a chance to get into the MEng but you wont have that guarentee so you may be offered nothing, a full fee placement or the CSP. Note: With full fee you take out a loan but it has an interest associated with it. I'm not jumping into the BEng since I'm only trying it out. Both have the exact same accreditation only after this year you can't take the BEng path.

So if i get accepted to BENG this year (2009), AND i choose to defer my placement till 2010, there will no longer be a course and i will have to take the Melbourne Model approach? Thats news to me if so!:O:O:O:O:O

 

[nick30790]

To all who have contributed to this thread, thankyou - so many questions answered!

I got a UAI of 89 and like nic, want to do medicine.

Is it right to say that I can pick the same subjects (roughly) as a biomedicine degree, esp. with a major in Immunology/Physiology/Human Structure etc..??

Also, I am a bit stuck with choice (hopefully) between Biomed Monash and Science Melb, any fors and againsts I should know about?

Hopefully see you all next soon!

Ok, first of all, it is possible to do all the subjects available in biomedicine in science, only they are worded differently. Basically in science you can choose from any of the majors as in biomedicine except one, but i dont know what it is.

For example, human structure and function, physiology and biochemistry are all available.

Infact, in science you could focus your study more on the biomedical aspects of science than biomedicine, as in biomedicine you have to study things like maths, whereas in science you dont have to.

Therefore, I would recommend studying science over biomedicine. Another bonus of science is that you can choose your entire course, whereas in biomedicine your course is fairly structured.

I am looking at either human structure and function or physiology as a major. Will be studying biology, chemistry and vision science first year.

One last thing, remember you must have completed at least one semester long subject at second year level in: physiology, anatomy and biochemistry to be elegible for medicine.

Hope that helps.

 

[jozza80]

Ok, first of all, it is possible to do all the subjects available in biomedicine in science, only they are worded differently. Basically in science you can choose from any of the majors as in biomedicine except one, but i dont know what it is.

For example, human structure and function, physiology and biochemistry are all available.

Infact, in science you could focus your study more on the biomedical aspects of science than biomedicine, as in biomedicine you have to study things like maths, whereas in science you dont have to.

Therefore, I would recommend studying science over biomedicine. Another bonus of science is that you can choose your entire course, whereas in biomedicine your course is fairly structured.

I am looking at either human structure and function or physiology as a major. Will be studying biology, chemistry and vision science first year.

One last thing, remember you must have completed at least one semester long subject at second year level in: physiology, anatomy and biochemistry to be elegible for medicine.

Hope that helps.

Wow, thanks alot!

I have very similar thoughts to you, especially about the Science course flexibility..

Lets just hope for the offer on Monday.

Being over 85, we are promised a place?

 

[MMCA]

hey guys..
so wait in accordance to the Melbourne model we do like 3 years of science then the Gamsat and if your successful 4 years of medicine i take it ? i am i right? so all together its 7 years whereas at another uni it would only be 5? and that does not really matter ..! its that how it works? what marks do u need to be getting?

thanks in advance

 

[jozza80]

hey guys..
so wait in accordance to the Melbourne model we do like 3 years of science then the Gamsat and if your successful 4 years of medicine i take it ? i am i right? so all together its 7 years whereas at another uni it would only be 5? and that does not really matter ..! its that how it works? what marks do u need to be getting?

thanks in advance

I do believe that the process will take 7 years (3 undergrad and 4 grad). The average undergrad med program is 6 years so its really 2 degrees with an extra year. Also, most undergrad programs allow you to take a year in the middle of your program to complete a med sci degree - all up equally 7 years (even though I think the med sci is honours). When you think about our ages in 7 years (25 for me), there is plenty of time!! As for the marks, not too sure, distinction average i think.

Hope that makes sense.

 

[nick30790]

I do believe that the process will take 7 years (3 undergrad and 4 grad). The average undergrad med program is 6 years so its really 2 degrees with an extra year. Also, most undergrad programs allow you to take a year in the middle of your program to complete a med sci degree - all up equally 7 years (even though I think the med sci is honours). When you think about our ages in 7 years (25 for me), there is plenty of time!! As for the marks, not too sure, distinction average i think.

Hope that makes sense.

Yes, 7 years all up. However, the best thing is that after 4 years we will be in hospitals as students, as in the Melbourne model medicine degree (to be called MD like the US) you do 1 year of biosciences and then 4 years clinical practice. All in all, sounds like an awesome pathway I think.

Now for the hard part, getting in. Well, I think the GPA would be a minimum of 5.5. That said, you would need an outstanding GAMSAT score to get in with a GPA of 5.5. D average i would be guessing a minimum, HD's would do you big favors here. Just remember, you only need 2nd year anatomy, physiology and biochemistry. The bottom line, choose subjects your good at (well in science at least, biomedicine you don’t really have any choice).

In terms of the ENTER for science, I am pretty sure the fringe ENTER last year was 83.95 or something close to it. Only international students are actually guaranteed a place if they get above this, the domestic students are still competing against all the applicants. No-one, except the university of course, knows what this years min. ENTER will be. I for one am fairly optimistic about it not going up. If you look around the other uni's, you will se that Melbourne’s is already exceptionally high. Monash is 75, for example. I really can’t see it going up much, if at all.

 

[MMCA]

thanks guys.

1 year biosciences and 3 yrs clinical means u'll cover much of "medicine" related subjects in ur undegrad degree be it biomed or science i think thats pretty cool , doing med b4 med kinda thing...lol yeah i guess u just have to keep studying hard and getting like really high grades heaps of people i think sit the GAMSAT ....

don't think i ll get a chance to start at Melbourne but what are my chances of being able to transfer to science at Melbourne mid semester?
thanks...

 

[nick30790]

thanks guys.

1 year biosciences and 3 yrs clinical means u'll cover much of "medicine" related subjects in ur undegrad degree be it biomed or science i think thats pretty cool , doing med b4 med kinda thing...lol yeah i guess u just have to keep studying hard and getting like really high grades heaps of people i think sit the GAMSAT ....

don't think i ll get a chance to start at Melbourne but what are my chances of being able to transfer to science at Melbourne mid semester?
thanks...

Well, if you dont think your ENTER is enough to get you in now, you will have to prove to them that you are capable of doing the course some other way (through good marks at another institution). If you are really keen to transfer in, I would work really hard at the course you do get into and hope for the best. I asked a similar question at the open day and they said that they will look at your uni marks and maybe VCE marks.

But to be honest, I think if you get really good uni marks you should be right, because you are showing them you are capable of doing the course.

 

[MMCA]

Thanks nick30790..

moving in mid semester means u start the degree fresh yeah? finish it later then those who were in from march?
and does it matter what course ur coming from?

thanks