Phanatical
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sorry to dissapoint you, but the ANZACS didnt fight for our country (the war was nowhere near us) they fought for the British. Just like all the other colonies.elissa said:How can burning a national flag be a freedom of speech? Actually how can it? Because you have the right to? Would you go burn the coat of arms? Is that freedom of speech? I really would like to know how people like you can think that burning a flag can be freedom of speech. Have your parents brought you up to hate the government, hate what this country gives you?
I do not attempt to forget what occurred in the past, I just recognise that it IS in the past, and at some point we have to move on and better ourselves and our society. Why are you criticising the Anzacs? I don't think we glorify them in such, we may look up to them because they had the bravery to actually fight for what they believed in, and they protected this nation? They fought for this country and the fought for the freedoms you so easily take for granted.
I have no idea who Mary Maclease is, and I wasn't "spitting out" her speech. I was simply trying to state my point. If you were referring to the Irish President her name is McAleese, not Maclease.
It is a sad indication of where today's society is headed when Australia has youths like you who don't truly understand and respect Australia and it's people.
So the Australians in PNG that fought under our flag didn't fight for our country?HotShot said:sorry to dissapoint you, but the ANZACS didnt fight for our country (the war was nowhere near us) they fought for the British. Just like all the other colonies.
yes there was enormous threat to our country....such that we invaded PNG..withoutaface said:So the Australians in PNG that fought under our flag didn't fight for our country?
so burn your own flag. so long as its your property and you don't endanger anyone else, whats the big deal?oh, as a side note, SOME people - and i only say SOME people - classify flag burning as arson, and could probably take you to court on the case of public nuisance.
i agree wholeheartedly. the sentence you quoted was for when u are in a public place. sorry, i should be more specific.davin said:so burn your own flag. so long as its your property and you don't endanger anyone else, whats the big deal?
idiot, we're not saying that everyone should LIKE burning flags...if they like burning flags so much, maybe we can send the flag burners to Saudi Arabia or Iran and get them to burn those country's flags over there, and then we'll see if they like burning flags so much.
Well if you want to be technical about it, Australian soldiers fought under the Red Ensign, not our current flag.withoutaface said:So the Australians in PNG that fought under our flag didn't fight for our country?
I agree. You cannot dismiss our military actions as having had no part in the formation of current values and ideals.Phanatical said:That's not the point. Australians fought for the nation, and her symbol. That symbol may have changed, but not the ideals behind it.
withoutaface said:So in effect you're saying that, were PNG to be taken over by the Japs, you're 100% sure Australia would have been safe?
Don't be stupid.
yeah, but then again, by your logic, the u.s. should've been only fighting for its interests...which would've meant not trying to stop the japanese as they headed south toward australia. they WERE aiming for australiaHotShot said:i am talking about WWI, as for WW2 japan - i srs doubt would have taken over AUstralia, even if they did, they gettin raped by america.
Yep, it is a freedom of speech.How can burning a national flag be a freedom of speech? Actually how can it? Because you have the right to? Would you go burn the coat of arms? Is that freedom of speech? I really would like to know how people like you can think that burning a flag can be freedom of speech.
Freedom of speechWould you go burn the coat of arms?
Many people hate the government.Have your parents brought you up to hate the government
No I'm not. Read my post properly before posting.Why are you criticising the Anzacs?
Marches, effigies, etc. We do glorify them although i'm not agianst it.I don't think we glorify them in such,
Yep her, i dont edit my posts.If you were referring to the Irish President her name is McAleese, not Maclease.
the flag represents nothing to you, but it obviously means something to some people, otherwise they'd be selling "random piece of cloth-burning kits".Damage Inc. said:There is nothing wrong with burning a flag. Seriously.
It represents nothing. Do you all understand that?
But using the same logic, can vandalise any property because i don't agree with the way the owner of that property is conducting themselves. For example, someone may burn down a brothel because they don't agree with what's going on in there, but they will be charged with arson, even though they are excercising their freedom of speech against immorality. Same here, so why shouldn't flag burning be an offence?Phanatical said:FOR
To burn the flag is a symbolic gesture against the perceived wrongs committed by our nation, or at least by those who represent our nation. Flag burning is not an attack on the values of this nation, but rather an attack on the actions of our government, and what the flag has come to symbolise throughout the world. Like the flag itself, flag burning is a symbolic gesture to demonstrate a hatred of what the flag stands for, and whether or not we personally like flag burning, we must respect the right for others to do so.