Do you support an increased refugee intake? (2 Viewers)

[wannaspoon]

^ Thats like saying, let the ripples start in the pond and then we will drop the stone.

Yes, it is saying exactly that... Welcome to how politics works...

http://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/r/stat-int.php

Out of 15 million international refugees we take in only around 10k a year... yeah were being swamped.

2nd per capita in the world? Yeah more like last place on the planet. Jordan, Pakistan, Germany, Kenya EASILY beats us in having more refugees. The rest of the world is already increasing their intakes. We are second in relocation which doesn't really mean shit when its only like 10k a year.

Who gives a shit about economic impact when this is an HUMANITARIAN aspect. Do you seriously suggest that we cannot afford it? Puhleez. We spend so much time "stopping the boats" we divert attention and resources away from fuckers who rort our visa system and we don't put in place enough investigative staff.

Lots of Aussies are natively from what would be considered "Refugee" background, if you're italian, greek, irish, eastern euro blooded that came her since 1910, you pretty much have family members who are getting the fuck out of europe for good reason. same goes for the massive waves of lebanese during the 80s.

The link you provided proves my point... of the amount of refugees RESETTLED!, Australia's resettlement rate is 2nd per capita in the world... Disregard all those who are living in refugee camps for one second and understand those individuals have not been resettled... They are simply in limbo within the places you mentioned and have not had resettlement plans finalised (hence why many of them choose to "jump the queue," so to speak and seek asylum through ostensibly illegitimate means)...

 

[isildurrrr1]

Yes, it is saying exactly that... Welcome to how politics works...



The link you provided proves my point... of the amount of refugees RESETTLED!, Australia's resettlement rate is 2nd per capita in the world... Disregard all those who are living in refugee camps for one second and understand those individuals have not been resettled... They are simply in limbo within the places you mentioned and have not had resettlement plans finalised (hence why many of them choose to "jump the queue," so to speak and seek asylum)...

There's no such thing as "jumping the queue" it's a political myth created to win votes and political capital.

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2011/06/20/refugee-queue-jumping-myth-or-fact

"The simple fact, there isn't actually a queue, there never has been. The fact that somebody waits in a desperate situation in another part of the world has nothing to do with the phenomenon of people coming and claiming asylum in Australia," says Richard Towle of the UN Refugee Agency.

And that's the UN, you know the guys who actually run the refugee centres.

only 80,000 people relocated. Out of 15 million refugees. Do the math, relocation numbers don't really matter. our share in the world is 49, per capita is 62, per gdp size its 87th.

 

[Gary_Oak]

^agree with this guy..... if you want to come here, maybe the government will give you a little money to get started, but otherwise, they have to work/pay taxes..... and also be prepared to observe our laws (and leave your sharia law crap back home) and if you break them (a major law), be prepared to get kicked out of the country....

 

[isildurrrr1]

^agree with this guy..... if you want to come here, maybe the government will give you a little money to get started, but otherwise, they have to work/pay taxes..... and also be prepared to observe our laws (and leave your sharia law crap back home) and if you break them (a major law), be prepared to get kicked out of the country....

ummm you do realize all those apply right? most are happy to just get the fuck out of the shithole they're in. most of them don't want sharia law because THEYRE ESCAPING FROM IT.

 

[jdennis]

ummm you do realize all those apply right? most are happy to just get the fuck out of the shithole they're in. most of them don't want sharia law because THEYRE ESCAPING FROM IT.

Excatly!
Never mind that if we actually tried to support them a bit rather than adopt a racist hatred of anyone who comes here on a boat, maybe they'd have better chances of finding a job.

 

[Gary_Oak]

Excatly!
Never mind that if we actually tried to support them a bit rather than adopt a racist hatred of anyone who comes here on a boat, maybe they'd have better chances of finding a job.

Still remember that we can't be too generous like those european countries.... look at the state of europe now.... its end up quite sour for them...

Don't forget this.... http://www.barenakedislam.com/2014/...im-group-behind-the-boston-marathon-bombings/

We don't want to let muslims extremist in (eg like that faggot who is on the news who is in syria fighting with ISIS).... we don't want something like that to happen here.. we should restrict muslims somewhat....

 

[isildurrrr1]

Still remember that we can't be too generous like those european countries.... look at the state of europe now.... its end up quite sour for them...

Don't forget this.... http://www.barenakedislam.com/2014/...im-group-behind-the-boston-marathon-bombings/

We don't want to let muslims extremist in (eg like that faggot who is on the news who is in syria fighting with ISIS).... we don't want something like that to happen here.. we should restrict muslims somewhat....

Yeah because we have the exact same problem russia has with chechans lol. It's a full blown out war over there, Spetznaz are known not to even bother to save hostages, they're just in to kill terrorists.

We don't let shit like ISIS happen in Australia, what the fuck do you think ASIO and the AFP are for? We are doing what we can to STOP extremists at our shores and been preventing attacks happening in Australia for the past geez i don't know decade or so? You think this is the first time Australia dealt with muslim extremism?

If you REALLY want to help stop ISIS, stop buying oil because you can bet your ass the oil moneyed saudis, kuwaities, qataris, bahrainis and other Wahhabi nutters are funding them.

Just admit you're a racist fuckwit. People working in ASIO and AFP know what they're doing and stopping threats. Australia is tough as shit to carry out any sort of attack because it's HARD to get supplies. You can't even buy guns let alone explosive materials to carry out any sort of attack.

 

[wannaspoon]

 

[Gary_Oak]

Just admit you're a racist fuckwit. People working in ASIO and AFP know what they're doing and stopping threats. Australia is tough as shit to carry out any sort of attack because it's HARD to get supplies. You can't even buy guns let alone explosive materials to carry out any sort of attack.

Its still doable here.... despite it being hard to get supplies..... just be wary of that.... or if they are desperate, they could have a gang of them slashing people at town hall or whatever.... just like what happen in China.... or behadings of complete randoms by them

gotta think twice with those people.... and calling me racist doesn't help mate....

Even with ASIO and whatever.... we still gotta pull our part with them.... this is why tony trying to talk to the muslims to make sure they can help him in trying to stop the problems.... which can be a good start if they agree with him

 

[isildurrrr1]

Its still doable here.... despite it being hard to get supplies..... just be wary of that.... or if they are desperate, they could have a gang of them slashing people at town hall or whatever.... just like what happen in China.... or behadings of complete randoms by them

gotta think twice with those people.... and calling me racist doesn't help mate....

Even with ASIO and whatever.... we still gotta pull our part with them.... this is why tony trying to talk to the muslims to make sure they can help him in trying to stop the problems.... which can be a good start if they agree with him

why so many full stops?

Yeah because the actions of a few represent the 1 billion muslims in the world. Do you think all catholics are kiddie fiddlers because couple of priests are fucked in the head? What would you propose to handle our "muslim question then?" What is your final solution?

 

[Gary_Oak]

why so many full stops?

Yeah because the actions of a few represent the 1 billion muslims in the world. Do you think all catholics are kiddie fiddlers because couple of priests are fucked in the head?

At least they are trying to do something... unlike muslims, because all the moderates are sitting ducks ready to get shot

 

[isildurrrr1]

At least they are trying to do something... unlike muslims, because all the moderates are sitting ducks ready to get shot

http://www.news.com.au/technology/o...slims-fight-back/story-fnjwnhzf-1227054832414

yeah because moderate muslims love ISIS dont they?

guess you didn't watch the SBS insight program over ISIS when a MAJORITY of muslims who attended denouced ISIS with the greatest degree, even pleading the government to help them STOPPING their kids from joining the fight overseas.

Just because you don't hear it on the media doesn't mean nothing is happening.

 

[Gary_Oak]

http://www.news.com.au/technology/o...slims-fight-back/story-fnjwnhzf-1227054832414

yeah because moderate muslims love ISIS dont they?

guess you didn't watch the SBS insight program over ISIS when a MAJORITY of muslims who attended denouced ISIS with the greatest degree, even pleading the government to help them STOPPING their kids from joining the fight overseas.

Just because you don't hear it on the media doesn't mean nothing is happening.

Let those fuckheads go, but don't let them back in.... thats it

 

[isildurrrr1]

Let those fuckheads go, but don't let them back in.... thats it

Good luck denying entry to Australian citizens, because you know it's against the law.

Australian citizens have an automatic right of entry to Australia, and do not require a visa. Australian citizens need only to present the following documents to officers in immigration clearance:

a valid Australian passport or other acceptable travel document
a completed and signed Incoming Passenger Card.

 

[nerdasdasd]

Its still doable here.... despite it being hard to get supplies..... just be wary of that.... or if they are desperate, they could have a gang of them slashing people at town hall or whatever.... just like what happen in China.... or behadings of complete randoms by them

gotta think twice with those people.... and calling me racist doesn't help mate....

Even with ASIO and whatever.... we still gotta pull our part with them.... this is why tony trying to talk to the muslims to make sure they can help him in trying to stop the problems.... which can be a good start if they agree with him

Racist much.

Those rural extremists are not representative of much of the Chinese population.

That attack was perpetrated by Uyghur separatists who is led by a Turkic Islamist millitant organisation.

Furthermore ... Those separatists have a huge dislike for the national Chinese government and are willing to do evil acts against the country.

Research your shit before you start making accusations and generalisations (it makes you look stupid and ignorant )

 

[Gary_Oak]

Good luck denying entry to Australian citizens, because you know it's against the law.

Or jail them if they come back.... charge them with treason

I laugh when people call me racist.... this is why the greens should be charged

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/opinion-polls.htm

 

[SylviaB]

We spend so much money trying to stop 10k refos a year yet don't spend a dime on 457 work visa frauds or 186 employer sponsored visa frauds. Why the fuck aren't we putting more money in to catching people who are ACTIVELY defrauding the government.

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[iBibah]

why so many full stops?

Yeah because the actions of a few represent the 1 billion muslims in the world. Do you think all catholics are kiddie fiddlers because couple of priests are fucked in the head? What would you propose to handle our "muslim question then?" What is your final solution?

Well the kiddie fiddlers actions are no way justified by catholic law and dogma. Just because someone calls them self a follower of a certain religion it doesn't mean their actions represent the religion.

However ISIL are simply carrying out the instructions given to them in their book and writings. The leader of ISIL has a PhD in Islamic Studies. So really, ISIL are the devout Muslims, and those 'Muslims' condemning them aren't.

And you can't say their actions aren't justified by Islam, because Islam doesn't have a formal teaching on anything. For those saying "it's not Islam", tell me what they're doing which is in no way justified by their teachings.

So when a sheik issues a fatwa saying ISIL are allowed to rape the Christian women captured because they've been deprived of sexual pleasure on their divine mission, you can't say "nah that's not Islam". It very much is, because Islam allows for that sort of "opinion".

And Muslims are actually allowed to deny or disguise their religion in order to protect themselves among infidels. So when Muslims talk about their religion to infidels, they have every right to lie about it.

 

[SylviaB]

Yeah because the actions of a few represent the 1 billion muslims in the world.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/opinion-polls.htm

 

[isildurrrr1]

Well the kiddie fiddlers actions are no way justified by catholic law and dogma. Just because someone calls them self a follower of a certain religion it doesn't mean their actions represent the religion.

However ISIL are simply carrying out the instructions given to them in their book and writings. The leader of ISIL has a PhD in Islamic Studies. So really, ISIL are the devout Muslims, and those 'Muslims' condemning them aren't.

And you can't say their actions aren't justified by Islam, because Islam doesn't have a formal teaching on anything. For those saying "it's not Islam", tell me what they're doing which is in no way justified by their teachings.

So when a sheik issues a fatwa saying ISIL are allowed to rape the Christian women captured because they've been deprived of sexual pleasure on their divine mission, you can't say "nah that's not Islam". It very much is, because Islam allows for that sort of "opinion".

And Muslims are actually allowed to deny or disguise their religion in order to protect themselves among infidels. So when Muslims talk about their religion to infidels, they have every right to lie about it.

No ISIS does not have islamic law on their backing. It's the same with every religion on how hardcore you want to be following certain outdated laws. The bible said slavery was A-ok, but does the catholic church advocate it? The bible states a woman should not have any position over a man.

Fatwas are practically opinions from religious leaders. Does ISIS have hardcore extremists who hold PhD's? Sure they do, THATS THE WHOLE POINT OF A THEOCRATIC STATE.

If ISIS or any other idiot knows the history of Islamic caliphates, is that they were VERY tolerant of other religions. If you weren't muslim, they just taxed you for it. That's their method of conversion but in Islam you cannot FORCE someone to be muslim.

http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/muslim-publics-share-concerns-about-extremist-groups/

A lot of muslims do disagree with ISIS and what they're doing, there's a lot of political movement rather than religious over in the ME on ISIS.

Remember Al Qaeda the big bad guy? They even told ISIS to STOP THEIR SHIT on killing civilians because it was not part of the end goals. ISIS isn't just killing only christians, theyre slaughter muslims as well and that shit isn't ok in the Koran either.

Does ISIS need to be stopped? Fuck yeah it does. But just doing airstrikes won't mean shit unless you can have effective ground operations. Iraqi army is bunch of useless cowards. ISIS is popular over there because they have a LOT of social welfare system. They run medical centers, learning centers, give out food etc. Same reason why Hamas is more popular than Fatah in Palestine. It's not just "oh people like oppressive islam." Go watch the vice documentary on ISIS, you can see in peoples faces theyre scared shitless.