- Aug 22, 2019
- Krak des Chevaliers
- Uni Grad
I just realised I had misunderstood your previous point. If this is what you're saying then there's no disagreement there. My bad man.Ah careful, as the bold text can be misleading or even heretical.
That is a huge difference man! If according to Scripture, God has revealed himself as 3 persons, according to Scripture, then Islam is heretical to say that God is only one person (that is the why the council of Nicea & Constantinople both declared such persons as anathema).
And vice versa the Trinity is heretical for Muslims:
O People of the Book! Do not go to extremes regarding your faith; say nothing about Allah except the truth.1 The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was no more than a messenger of Allah and the fulfilment of His Word through Mary and a spirit ˹created by a command˺ from Him.2 So believe in Allah and His messengers and do not say, “Trinity.” Stop!—for your own good. Allah is only One God. Glory be to Him! He is far above having a son! To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And Allah is sufficient as a Trustee of Affairs.
I have no knowledge about this beyond this point. I would also be interested in knowing more about the Muslim perspective in that regard.Well yes probably should clarify what I meant, the difference is in the degree, of course Muslims believe God created the world, and have some idea of God being immanent; but would a Muslim say they could know God personally or encounter God personally? I'm not so sure. Probably not (except for perhaps mentioning they have the Quran which for them is perfect word of God).
It is the idea of God's presence dwelling with man with man like what we see in Genesis 3, or with the temple (and priests) are foreign to Islam.
I would be curious to hear a Muslim's thoughts on the Surah 50 passage. (Yes you can take a Christian reading but I'd be curious to hear how Muslims view that verse).
Once again I seem to have misinterpreted your earlier statements. I was focusing on Jesus and Muhammad when you were highlighting the differences with respect to Moses. We are on the same page once again (I should really stop answering people at 2am lol)I don't think you have properly looked into these things if you don't think there is any difference that is significant.
Basically the Quran doesn't quote the Old Testament, in the same way the New Testament does. For instance Abraham is mentioned, but never the covenant made to him; six days of creation (but not the seventh); Quran talks about Paradise (heaven) but God's presence does not dwell there. There is no overall story arc of salvation (that you can see throughout Genesis-Revelation).
Rather Quran uses Old Testament passages perhaps to illustrate the argument/apologetic.
The Quran also confuses Mary and Miriam (daughter of Imran brother of Moses and Aaron - Ex. 15:20, Num. 26:59)
(see Quran 3:35ff; 66:12, 19:27-28)
and there are other differences in the account of Moses, some not important, some important.
I guess it all comes back to how we define "believing in God". If it's just believing in the existence of God, then of course it will be insufficient.Pascal's wager is kind of very weak probabilistic argument for the existence of God, simply because believing that God exists is insufficient to be safe from final judgement in most major world beliefs. There are better approaches and arguments (both for Christians and Muslims alike) imho.
What about atheism? You seem to mention Christianity and Islam quite often but don't give atheism much attention in comparison, despite Pascal's wager being aimed at it?