MoonlightSonata said:
Of course I am open to the possibility. I am open to the possibility of aliens too. But until there is credible evidence and reason for believing in such phenomenon, it is best to either withhold judgment or consciously take the position that, to all of our knowledge, such things to do not exist.
The above statements are meaningless.
On the contrary, faith is weak. Faith is belief without evidence. There is no justification for believing something so unfounded, extreme and controversial without evidence or logical proof.
These are rules of logic and argument. Simply because you have no understanding of them does not mean that they are incorrect. I would strongly recommend you read up on them, as they are the conventions and proofs by which we base our entire civilisation. (Alternatively, you may like to take a basic philosophy course in reason, as such courses are very beneficial.)
Emotional language. This is not in anyway a meaningful contention. By proverbial heart, you can only mean feeling. We do not obtain truth by what we feel, we seek truth through applications of reason (a faculty of the mind).
If we deny your claims based on logical reasoning and valid counter-arguments, then they are likely to be wrong. This is not fear, it is critical thinking.
Your answers have been consistently refuted.
With respect, that is just emotional blather. It conveys no meaningful, logical utterance.
By "push" I assume you mean prove. And yes, this is the belief of agnostics. We do not believe it possible for us to have knowledge of the extistence of God. You evidently disagree, but you fail to say why.
No, it is not a "Christian thing". A Christian would actually believe in God (theism). An agnostic believes that we cannot know whether a God exists or not.
If you are trying to assist us in the views of your religion, might I humbly suggest that you try to make your posts a little clearer. Personally I find them difficult to read due to the substance, structure and grammar/punctuation.
sashatheman said:
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Originally Posted by Salima
or will you live forever in nothingness? Inshalllah, whatever be the will of god!
The above statements are meaningless.
You say this? ANd I suppose ths is logical? I think not! You only say this because turth hurts. And I'm sure you'll say some crap that you say is logical and say it's not true, blah blah blah, heard it all before. This is why I don't want ot post here anymore, beucase you won't try to understand, (you only say soemthign stupid when I tyr to make you sunderstand why msulims do such things or why they believe this and that as you ask questions, you cannot just ignore the answers given becuase they are answers to your questions. You can't ignore what is given to you just a you cannot ignore a deadly allergy one may have) what I haev given, and only want to say what you think and nothign else, adn you are right no matter what happens, even if god told you himself!
All the crap you've said here only proves all my points. NAd I did mean push not prove, and when you say christians actually believe in god bit did you even know what you were refuting? No I was sayignot push someone into religion, like evangelical poeple, that you must convert everyone even against thier will. Muslims don't do this and muslims believe in god don't be insulting sutpid to yourself moreso than to me or opthers. You see your ignorance and by the way you're speaking here utterly proves all my points, and by the looks of things you'll nenver be open to god. You cannot say you'll never know if god exists. The rpoof is here. I know philosophy I didi a short course already. Logic and religion, science and religion all go in one. You think faith is utterly blind and stupid it is not. First you relise there is soemthing else and then you find the proof, al qur'an. Youc an go by feelings. Feelings have so often told me about things that I would not otherwise know. You cannot say felings are stupid in determining what is out there. I haven't seenany valid counter-arguements. Because all you say is false, the style of the kufr.
I do not need ot explain myself to you any furhter kufr. You will never understand.
What you say about being agnostic is athiesm. You cannot say your open and not be closed off. You say you see possibilities, but how can you see them if there will enver be any proof to you of such a thing being? You will never therefore, if htere is a way to worship a god or gods, worhsip them and reach heaven, you're forelorn.
So therefore, beucase of your idiocy to even understnad, i will no longer post here. I mean like i keep saying i want you to understand why msulims would believe and act the way they do within their religion, but you won't even do that, now that's truely stupid and illogical if you are talking about the mind and logic.
I knew all along there was soemhting else. For I could sense things and I have seen thigns not of human kind. So I knew there was somehting esle. I had freakishly seen the future before and predicted htings, even the other day it happened to me. So I knew there was something bigger than us, than the idea of aliens. The proof for me is in the qur'an, logically and sicentifically proven. I think it to not see htis, that there is something else and that they wouldn't give us proof is stupid. The signs are everyhwere! To not see the possibility would be hell for me, would be depressing. To think it is only here and now and nothing else, rediculous! You may be against organised religion, but it doesn't mean you should refuse ot understand why people choose to be part of one, and why peeople within the religion belive what they believe in and act the way they do due to thier religious texts.
We do not believe it possible for us to have knowledge of the extistence of God. You evidently disagree, but you fail to say why.
Agnostics lake illumination. You can't see the forest for the trees! I have said why, ebucase of me beliefs, and why woudl a god or gods not shwo they are their? That's not logical. Lettignyou wonder aimlessly through life not knowing, stupid. LIke I said:
You can't see the forest for the trees!
I leave you all with this:
Treatment of Prisonsers of War:
Prisoners of wars were (and stilll should be) treated like guests. Prisoners of the battle of Badr were kept in Al-Madinah for a few days, one of the prisoners states the=at the Muslims treated them preferentially and even better than their own families. They gave them better food, and clothing, then they gave to their families.
The Qur'an on Clouds:
After speaking about rain and hail and lighting:
"...And he sends down hail from mountains (clouds) in the sky, and He strikes with it whomever He wills, and turns it from whomever He wills. The vivid flash of its lightning nearly blinds the sight." (Qur'an, 24:43)
Meterologists have found that these cumukonimbus clouds that shower hial, reach a height of 25,000 to 30,000ft like mountains, as the Qur'an said:
"...And He sends down hail form mountains in the sky..."
This verse may raise the question. Why does it say
"its lightning" in a reference to hail? Doe this mean that hail is the major factor in producing lightning? Let us see what the book entilted
Meterology Today says about this. It says that a cloud becomes electrified as ahil falls through a region in the cloud of supercooled droplets adn ice crystals. As liquid droplets collide with hailstone, they freeze on contact and release latent heat. This keeps the surface of the hailstone warmer than that of the currounding ice craystals. When the hialstone comes in contact with ice crystal, an important phemomenon occurs: electrons flow fromt he cooler object toward the armer object. Hence, the hailstone becoems negatively charged. The smae effect occurs when supercooled droplets come in contact with a hailstone and tiny splinters of positively chraged ice breaks off. These lighter positvely chraged particles are then carried to the upper part of the cloud by updrafts. The hail, left with a negative charge, falls towards the bottom of the cloud, thus the loer part of the cloud becomes negatively charged. The negative charges are then discharged as lighting. We conlcude from this that hail is the major factor in producing lightning.
This information on lightning was discovered recently. Until 1600AD, Aristotle's ideas on meterology were dominant. For example, he siad that the stmosphere contains two kinds of exhalation, dry and moist. He also said that thunder is the sound of the collusion on the dry exhalation wht the neighbouring clouds, and lightning is the inflaming and burning of the dry exhalation with a thin and faint fire. These are some of the ideas on meterology that were dominant at the time of the Qur'an's revelation, fourteen centuries ago.
So this is why the lighting in the surah above says
"its lightning": beucase hail si a major cause of ligtning, contray to aristole's ideas, which you have so recelty claimed ot be great, and which the qur'an, you say, stole its ideas from.
The Qur'an on the Cerebrum:
God has said in the Qur'an about one of the evil unbelievers who forbade the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) from praying at teh kaaba:
"No! If he does not stop, We will take him by the naseyah (front fo the head), a lying sinful naseyha (front of the head)!" (Qur'an 96:15-16)
Why did the Qur'an describe the fron of the head as ebing lying and sinful? Why didn't the Qur'an say that the person was lying and sinful? What is this relationship between the front of the head nad lying and sinfulness?
If we look into the skull at the fron of the head, we wll find the prefrontal area of the cerebrum. What does phsyiology tell us about the function on this area? A book entitled
Essentials of Anatomy & Phsyiology says about his area this: "The movtivation and the foresight to plan and initiate movements occur in the anterior portion of the frontal lobes, the
prefrontal area. this is a region of the association cortex..." Also the books ays: "In relation to its involvement in motivation, the prefrontal area is also thought to be the functional center for aggression..."
So, this area of the cerebrum is responsible for planning, motivating, and initiating good and inful behaviour and is respinsible for telling of lies and the spkeaing of truth. Thus, it is proper to describe the front of the head as lying and sinful when someone lies or commits a sin, as the Qur'an has said:
"...A lying and sinful naseyah (front of head)!"
Therefore, they new of cerebrum, and its make-up, chemicals in the body, and of the brain and the different functions of the several parts of the brain. This has only been discovered by sicenists in the last 60yrs!
:rofl: Ur_inner_child, how are the quotes and explinations I've proved you with at the bottom of my long post not logical? HWne it is explained with science and logic?