F**k Camden is stupid Part II: The Proposed Islamic Cemetery (2 Viewers)

[i-love-maynard]

I don't get it. Having a McDonalds smack bang in the middle of Camden, where they originally did want to put it would destroy the postcard scenery of the main street.

argyle street sucks dick anyway. streets are too narrow, roundabouts too small and pedestrians run out all over the place because they're too lazy to use the crossings. i fucking hate camden and i hate having to live here.

 

[Nebuchanezzar]

need bigga roundabouts and wida streets so i can do fully sik burnouts in da streets!

 

[Js^-1]

I don't get it. Having a McDonalds smack bang in the middle of Camden, where they originally did want to put it would destroy the postcard scenery of the main street.

They didn't want to put it in the middle of Camden, at least not recently. A few months before the Muslim School was proposed, Mcdonalds wanted to put a Restaraunt in on the outside of Camden, just off the Old Hume Highway. It was going to replace an old and disused squash court that was out of business in an almost run-down street.

 

[Nebuchanezzar]

Clearly my Camden knowledge is better than yours then. If you knew your Camden you'd know that many years ago they wanted to put a McDonalds out near where Target Country is now, on that big old car sales lot.

Fool.

 

[Nebuchanezzar]

We are free of McDonalds and other fast food franchises

Subway
Pizza Hut
Gloria Jeans

just as we are free of Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist etc schools

That Free Masons church is a little weird though.

Plus, the area where they are proposing to build the school would cause so much congestion and problems

Mater Dei is on a large capacity road and has a driveway capable of accomodating a school.

that it is the reason nothing else has been proposed to be built there, and if it had, it would be opposed as well.

That Cawdor Road's capacity was not upgraded when Camden High School means what, to you?

Other than that I agree with your general argument, I guess.

 

[Js^-1]

Clearly my Camden knowledge is better than yours then. If you knew your Camden you'd know that many years ago they wanted to put a McDonalds out near where Target Country is now, on that big old car sales lot.

Fool.

Yeh obviously...But that was years ago. I'm talking recently, as in the last couple of months.

It's funny how they had absolutely no trouble approving of the catholic school. The president of the Camden/Macarthur Residents group was quoted saying:

"Why is it xenophobic just because I want to make a choice. If I want to like some people and not like other people, that's the nature of the beast,"

It's sad that people all over the world think that everyone in Camden is like this guy.

 

[bigboyjames]

oh god AlphaKiloTango your pathetic.ill reply to your post later on.

 

[bigboyjames]

Listen here you moron, I happen to have lived in Camden all my life, and yes, Campbelltown is close, and all of the ethnicities there are the reason we chose to live in Camden and not in Campbelltown!

Camden is a beautiful, peaceful, country town, that is predominantly free of other ethnicities because our little town doesn't offer anything but serenity and a nice way of life. We are free of McDonalds and other fast food franchises, just as we are free of Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist etc schools, because they would alter the country Australian dynamic that has always been Camden and bring their religious beliefs to where they are not wanted. Besides, we only have to travel 20 minutes to find these things, so why disturb our untouched town if it is so close anyway - not necessary. Camden is appealing because it has not being affected (yet).

listen you fuck head bogan. im not going to say this twice to you because your so thick headed. clearly, when you say "effected" you make ethnics look like some sort of disease. as if ethics will corrupt your little world. some fucked up world you live in. lol, you say you dont want Muslims, Buddhist, jews blah blah blah is bullshit. your town would be happy to accommodate these people if they were anglo saxon. so stop twisting the situation around and man up to the fact that your a racist and that shit hole you live in is racist.

John Macarthur from Camden founded one of the first industries in Australia, sheep and wool. Such a heritage from our country's beginning, is one of the reasons why we do not want certain commercialism or muslims in our town. Despite what the media projects, this is not a racist issue, because first of all they are a religion, not a race, and we just don't want ANYONE or ANYTHING, Muslim or otherwise, to come in and alter our quiet Aussie country town from what it has always been. We have the right to call ourselves Aussie, just as anyone else does, we are fighting to protect our way of life. Plus, the area where they are proposing to build the school would cause so much congestion and problems, that it is the reason nothing else has been proposed to be built there, and if it had, it would be opposed as well.

LOL. please, i dont need a history lesson. your post indicates and undertones tat the bogan-ness/racism in your town is so extreme that even if a ethnic bought a house in that joint wankers like you would protest.

ROFLMAO. your just piss head. you town has lost all credibvlity on the bisis of protesting against a grave yard. how low have you people come? GTFO of that little world you live in. you cannot fight this. Camden is going to become islamden soon. deal with it
fuck you.

The notion that we cannot spell is utterly insulting, and obviously unfounded, not all Aussie's are bogans, we are intelligent people who only want our town to stay the same. The media choose footage of so called Bogans, to heighten the response of people to their stories. And for your information, half of the shown bogans don't even live here! There are plenty of other non-country areas that the Muslims can go, plenty of places where Muslims can be buried in peace, in places where people like you will accept them. Why they would want to build in an area where they are so opposed baffles me.

ROFLMAO! Please, try harder. you might have convicted the rest Australia – teamed up with that crazy religions priest from that political group (Australia christian party) but you aint fooling me. You have turned it into a Muslim vs non Muslim issue, when that isn’t the case. Your town is just racist. Like I said before, bogans like you would protest even if someone bought a house in the joint.

I am not necessarily opposed to Muslims and respect their faith, but I am opposed to having their influence on one of the only true country places left in Sydney. Please, Camden is not stupid, we are rightfully protective of our heritage, our way of living, and our seclusion; We have no reason to be ashamed.

i can put down my bottom dollar that your more than happy to have a anglo saxons muslims move into camden.

oh, and please define "true country places"

 

[Graney]

Despite what the media projects, this is not a racist issue, because first of all they are a religion, not a race, and we just don't want ANYONE or ANYTHING, Muslim or otherwise, to come in and alter our quiet Aussie country town from what it has always been. We have the right to call ourselves Aussie, just as anyone else does, we are fighting to protect our way of life.

Xenophobia is as disgracefull as racism.

 

[Lentern]

Listen here you moron, I happen to have lived in Camden all my life, and yes, Campbelltown is close, and all of the ethnicities there are the reason we chose to live in Camden and not in Campbelltown! Camden is a beautiful, peaceful, country town, that is predominantly free of other ethnicities because our little town doesn't offer anything but serenity and a nice way of life. We are free of McDonalds and other fast food franchises, just as we are free of Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist etc schools, because they would alter the country Australian dynamic that has always been Camden and bring their religious beliefs to where they are not wanted. Besides, we only have to travel 20 minutes to find these things, so why disturb our untouched town if it is so close anyway - not necessary. Camden is appealing because it has not being affected (yet).

John Macarthur from Camden founded one of the first industries in Australia, sheep and wool. Such a heritage from our country's beginning, is one of the reasons why we do not want certain commercialism or muslims in our town. Despite what the media projects, this is not a racist issue, because first of all they are a religion, not a race, and we just don't want ANYONE or ANYTHING, Muslim or otherwise, to come in and alter our quiet Aussie country town from what it has always been. We have the right to call ourselves Aussie, just as anyone else does, we are fighting to protect our way of life. Plus, the area where they are proposing to build the school would cause so much congestion and problems, that it is the reason nothing else has been proposed to be built there, and if it had, it would be opposed as well.

The notion that we cannot spell is utterly insulting, and obviously unfounded, not all Aussie's are bogans, we are intelligent people who only want our town to stay the same. The media choose footage of so called Bogans, to heighten the response of people to their stories. And for your information, half of the shown bogans don't even live here! There are plenty of other non-country areas that the Muslims can go, plenty of places where Muslims can be buried in peace, in places where people like you will accept them. Why they would want to build in an area where they are so opposed baffles me.

I am not necessarily opposed to Muslims and respect their faith, but I am opposed to having their influence on one of the only true country places left in Sydney. Please, Camden is not stupid, we are rightfully protective of our heritage, our way of living, and our seclusion; We have no reason to be ashamed.

Oh dear, I hardly no where to begin. I'll start with that which most disgusts me and that is these weak, worthless bigots whom hide behind a missuse of the term racist and think it exonerates them from it's implications. Islam is not a race you are right, a prejudice against it though is no better than racism, it's sectarianism, it's bigotted, it's xenophobic, it's wrong. Just because it is not actually racist pointing that out does not exonerate anyone from it's implications and it is a cowardly way of dodging the issue.

As for this "our way of life" rhetoric which Ms Hanson and Reverend Nile so funnilly used to deliver, spare us. Nobody but an unimaginably small minority has ever advocated that anyone be forced to abandon their own lifestyle. Just because there is a Mosque or religious school in the area nobody is going to start berating you for not going to the mosque or studying the Qu'ran.

Nobody has suggested they not be bound by Australian law. Exactly what is a law abiding Muslim going to do to ruin Camden? Set up a Kebab shop, mate don't eat it if you don't like it. This perception that they will run rampant ignoring all law is ludicrous, if they break the law, they go the gaol like anybody else. You talk about how it will be "affected" and "disturbed", you're whacko. People in Camden are only going to start adopting the aspects of Islamic culture by choice, not be neccessity. And if they do so by choice, then it is what is wanted isn't it? Otherwise they wouldn't choose it.

What really amazes me about what you've written though is this whole entitle vibe that resonates throughout your post. That you have this unquestionable right to enjoy all that is Camden, and that for a muslim, the right is more conditional if existant at all. Here is some food for thought my friend, you, nor did they choose where to be born. It is an accident of fate, perhaps you say the parents chose, I say and as does any level headed man that a son should not be held responsible and liable for the decisions of his father.

You have spoken with a little more more composure and indignation then many of your comrades whom you have tried to distance yourself from. And in truth your sentiments are not as horrific as others I have heard, but they still operate under a fundamental principle that persons of one culture or one ethnicity or one religion be subjected to a different, indeed lesser treatment than your own and you ought to be ashamed for it, it is disgusting, and revolting and what upsets me most is that unlike many who share the sentiments with you, you actually seem to be quite intelligent not just an ignorant bogan.

 

[bigboyjames]

I will say again, that Muslims are not a race, they are a religion. And if you really think that I am going to care about your opinion, and get all defensive about all the profanities you just said, think again.

OMFG! are you fucking srs? ARE YOU FUCKING SRS? OMFG.

that argument is the cheapest one ever used. just fucking address the issues i have put forward or fuck off.

Ethnics do live in Camden btw, but not in the majorities of other Sydney places. I'm sure some Muslims do as well, perhaps you should actually come to Camden and take a look around. Then you will see what a "true country place" is.

name 1 place in Sydney. name 1 PLACE ACROSS SYDNEY WHERE ETHNICS ARE THE MAJORITY.

And now I shall sit back and laugh at your arguments and your petty insults, xenophobic or not, bogan or not, I love my town, and you mean nothing.

suck my cock?

 

[Garygaz]

Flipping this situation around, in Australia, around ~70% of Australians identify themselves as Christians in the Census, but probably more like 85% would have been raised in some form of Christian family and at least have some kind of Christian values. So in light of that, if a bunch of Australians went to say Iran, Jordan or Saudi Arabia, and tried to set up a Catholic school, how do you think it would go down?

I'm not being xenophobic, it's a genuine question.

 

[Omie Jay]

Well that wouldnt go down too well, but you cant compare the situation here, building an islamic school, to building a catholic school in an islamic country, because, as i mentioned, those countries are islamic countries, whereas australia is a multicultural country (at least its supposed to be..). I just dont get why the ppl wanna build an islamic school in an area like camden (i dont think many muslims live there), why not other suburbs that have more muslims?

 

[bigboyjames]

Flipping this situation around, in Australia, around ~70% of Australians identify themselves as Christians in the Census, but probably more like 85% would have been raised in some form of Christian family and at least have some kind of Christian values. So in light of that, if a bunch of Australians went to say Iran, Jordan or Saudi Arabia, and tried to set up a Catholic school, how do you think it would go down?

I'm not being xenophobic, it's a genuine question.

but you see, fuck Iran and Saudi Arabia. im not supporting the school at all , if you have read any of my posts i have been absolutely against the establishment of the school.

back to your point, those radical countries are not the benchmark of perfect human rights. this is the same country, i think, was part of a coalition, to liberate other countries and give them basic human rights....what was the point of that and why be so hypocritical about it when the human rights that this country speaks of isn't even accomplished in this country.

 

[Garygaz]

Well that means they are segregating themselves into towns, building up population and statistics show that that leads to higher crime rates. I love that Australia is multicultural, though there shouldn't be any kind of religious schools, religious suburbs. If people weren't so blatant in wanting to build schools, cemeteries (that may go for Muslims in this country, but there are Christians doing it all over the world too) we wouldn't have to deal with the tension it creates. Obviously it is unfounded to have racist/xenophobic attitudes, but they exist, and just calling them wrong and ignoring them does not fix the problem. The real problem is religion in general, look at all the problems in the world that wouldn't be with us today if the world was secularised.

 

[miss lozzy]

Much anger! SO MUCH ANGER!!!! *head explodes*

Dude, I feel like my opinion will be shouted down regardless.

Simply, I'll pose some questions...

1- Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Isn't everyone also entitled to be part of a religion, be it Christian or Muslim or Martian-gobbledegook-worship?

2- If someone has a different belief to you, especially a minority belief, does that mean that that person is threatening you? Has anyone noticed which side of the debate is actually adopting a threatening tone?

This whole thing is really saddening, because, maybe i've lived my life under a delusion for 18 years, but i was always proud of the fact that Australia is a country of diversity and tolerance

*steps off soapbox*

 

[Garygaz]

Okay I seem to be the only person trying to get across the opposed opinion, to a very one-sided forum. Yes it is undeniable, most oppose Muslims, but the issue is the school. I certainly don't care if they live here, if they set up a Kebab shop, and I certainly didn't say they would not comply with the law. But the concern of many is why bring in a school with so many Muslims where there is currently so few living? There are so many other areas better suited! Camden obviously opposes it, and if you all understood the planning issues we rightfully oppose it. However, I don't understand why the Muslims so proud of their beliefs, would want to inject themselves into such an environment. As I said, I personally am not opposed to Muslims at all, but I am to the school.

And on Muslims affecting us, I merely meant that they change our way of life in that they prefer to mix with their own kind.

And now as a coward, I am going to delete my account, as you have forced me. I will not change my opinion on the issue, but will ponder what on Earth people like BigBoyJames offer society...

Cool, one less person with Horatio in their avatar, I can't complain.

 

[Omie Jay]

those radical countries are not the benchmark of perfect human rights.

Precisely

Obviously it is unfounded to have racist/xenophobic attitudes, but they exist, and just calling them wrong and ignoring them does not fix the problem. The real problem is religion in general, look at all the problems in the world that wouldn't be with us today if the world was secularised.

Also precisely, but the main problem is the ignorance of people and the portrayal of a certian religion in the media, on account of all the shit thats goin on in the world.

The main reason for racist/xenophobic attitudes is because the terrorists are muslims, and muslims wanna make a school, therefore school for terrorists. That show where the guy lived at the sheikh's house that came on tv last week, when he talked to the woman who led the campaign against the islamic school, said stuff like she doesnt want terrorism to spread to camden.
All this terrorism happening in the world by muslims, and the word muslim becomes synonimous with the word terrorist. The thing is that most people dont understand the religion. I said this earlier in the thread, people need to know what ALL religions are about, no religion is evil and no religion states that u gotta kill anyone who doesnt follow it.

Yeah, thats what i reckon about the whole xenophobic issue.

 

[bigboyjames]

Well that means they are segregating themselves into towns, building up population and statistics show that that leads to higher crime rates.

please show me a stat that links religion affiliation and crime together.

I love that Australia is multicultural, though there shouldn't be any kind of religious schools, religious suburbs. If people weren't so blatant in wanting to build schools, cemeteries (that may go for Muslims in this country, but there are Christians doing it all over the world too) we wouldn't have to deal with the tension it creates.

you see, i agree with everything you have to say about the schools and religious suburbs. i couldn't have said it better myself. however, i am not against the cemetery, on the basis that dead people cannot cause any tensions in a community.

Obviously it is unfounded to have racist/xenophobic attitudes, but they exist, and just calling them wrong and ignoring them does not fix the problem. The real problem is religion in general, look at all the problems in the world that wouldn't be with us today if the world was secularised.

Camden's way of fixing the problem isnt fixing it. your just making it worse. especially when you invite a christian paster to give a sermon on the issue. and because they had the ACP in Camden, the people of Camden are no different from the religious nuts an lakemba.

 

[bigboyjames]

And now as a coward, I am going to delete my account, as you have forced me. I will not change my opinion on the issue, but will ponder what on Earth people like BigBoyJames offer society...

your pathetic. running away from a debate.....so camden style.