Governemnt increse price...for us??? (1 Viewer)

[iambored]

Originally posted by Azn fairies
i just heard on the news today that the governemnt (fucken johnny) is planing to increse the hex paying fee by 30% and increse the number of full fee paying student by 50%.. and he is trying to past this bill by christmas.then does this mena this legistration will effect 2003 year12 students or 2004 students???..

*groan*

 

[Newbie]

i've already said my bit so im outta this topic

im sure melbournian's arrogance will be more than enough to fill my place

 

[Azn fairies]

Originally posted by melbournian
Deregulation doesn't directly give the government more money (although, as I have stated before, it does indirectly through the tax system). Deregulation promotes greater efficency and promotes worlds best practice.

Backbenchers, do not get $150,000 per year. Backbenchers get $98,000 per year. Infact, I think backbenchers are significantly underpayed. And don't go posting baseless statistics again, because I will just continue to destruct them.

lol i think it's my turn to desturct urs... 98,000 is only for first year backbenchers..mate. full time get around 98,000-150,000...and potican get even more!.. . (read that info on the news - when the teachers were having a stike)

 

[Azn fairies]

o well atleat i try my best to make up bullshit- it usally work in exams ...i give up - fuck it, im not inot poitics anyway..im just worryed casue this legistration will effre4ct my HSC.

cheers

 

[Generator]

What about their perks?
(just a general question since you might know)

 

[Azn fairies]

well i don't do legal studies or anything that got to do with poitics...

i just bullshit in IPT and englsih- and i guess half the people here does that .

 

[Mr Wiggle]

Originally posted by melbournian
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- MPs are entitled to a life gold card after 20 years in parliament or six years as a minister, or one as PM
- 127 former ministers and MPs were entitled to a life gold card at June 30, 2001.

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What is the gold card ??
What do you get from it ?

 

[Butterfly_Wings]

Originally posted by melbournian
GST, how did that fuck us over, only 2 problems I've seen with it
1. the associated inflationary spike, which baught slight instability to the economy when it was implemented
2. the troubles with the complexity of BAS's, which aren't exactly the GST but a component on the "new tax system".

Iraq, how could not freeing people from an evil dictator not be a good thing?

Go live in your little fairy land, with the rest of you the disconnected socialist recalcitrants.

Well, why don't YOU go live in YOUR little fairyland, where you can believe everything the media tells you to believe.
pfft.

 

[Butterfly_Wings]

Whatever.
Your so self righteous. Anyone who dares disagrees with you is instantly the stupidest person who ever lived. But unlike you, I don't believe you're the smartest person in the world, so I don't really care what you think.

 

[Butterfly_Wings]

Originally posted by melbournian
Oh, that cut deep. Do you have a tissue to wipe my tears?
Fuck no, I am not that smart....there are so many people on these boards that would shit on me in the inteligence stakes and I wouldn't and couln't deny that. However, I am sick to hell of people like you making uninformed and unsubstaniated judgements. Intelligence has little to do with this. People like Asquithian and Lazarus and a few others, seem to construct solid arguements that most of the time I do not agree with, but they are strong because they have a factual basis behind them rather than just opinion.

I happen to think that morals, and the human conscience are sometimes more justified that facts and figures. Especially when you are talking about blowing people up, theres not a single political fact you can throw at me to make that OK. Please forgive me for HAVING an opinion, jesus.
I don't care if people disagree, so long as they are not rude and self righteous about it, and imply that they are better than everyone else with every word they utter. Which many others here seem capable of doing.

 

[Generator]

One question, when did our troops actually 'blow someone up'? (Off topic, but eh, I'm just going with the flow).

 

[Aaron1911]

And what evidence do you have that we are "regergetating the crap"? The beliefs that we hold are OUR opinions. Whether they were formed with what we may have heard from the media or not.

And a comment like:
"Iraq, how could not freeing people from an evil dictator not be a good thing?"
seriously doesn't help your argument.

 

[um..]

Originally posted by 0ver97


with fees higher, the govt has more money to spend on security and defence, and after those tragic terrorists events, im certain you'll put a strong security system before that of urself getting through uni.

i'm sitting here trying to type a reply and i'm lost for words. you think taking money from tertiary education to help combat what seems to be the orwellian danger of terrorism is justifiable? sounds just like the bear patrol on the simpsons - while i'm not saying terrorism is an imagined threat, i do think the immediate risk to australia has been overblown
and to have the hide to say that we shouldnt mind missing out on a tertiary education so that we can greater combat the current threat to our way of life (this month it's religous fundamentalists, next month it will be europeans for all i know). even though that is not the reason for the increases, to even believe it is outrageous

oh and melbournian, i really do feel for the poor right wing conservative elite, they suffer such a rough trot in the australian press. i mean look at murdoch - he can't even own all the media outlets in australia yet! hopefully though, one day they will rise up from the socialist oppressors and regain their mantle - the bourgeoisie have nothing to lose but their chains, eh

 

[Butterfly_Wings]

Melbourian...that is exactly the kind of attitude I mean. As soon as I-or anyone else-disagrees with you, you decide to write their opinions off, and decide they are regurgitating this so-called university crap. Yes, thats right-I'm just some uninformed hippie who wanders around the streets raving about making peace not war, blaming "the man", and playing Led Zepplin songs on a recorder.
Did you ever think that perhaps, someone has looked at the facts, thought about it, and interpreted them to make their own informed judgement? And that perhaps...this judgement may be different from yours? *gasp!*

I'm not ever gonna bother arguing with you anymore.

 

[um..]

Originally posted by melbournian


Um, it has nothing to do with the elite. I am not argueing for the "rich", I am argueing for the nation from a monetarist perspective. Oh, and Murdoch isn't even Australian, so their goes that arguement. Nor, does Murdoch own News Ltd, but instead is the largest shareholder.

i'm not arguing against the rich either, i was just trying to show that your insinuation that their is a left wing bias in the australian media was ridiculous
and, i dont want to get nitpicking but i think it would be wrong to sat that murdoch does not control news ltd. http://www.newscorp.com/corp_gov/bod.html
forgive me if i'm wrong, but the chairman and chief executive usually run the show, yes?
and although he's not australian, he still holds a monopoly over a large cross section of our media. and if he can keep sucking howards cock long and hard enough he will be able to make the cross media ownership laws even more lax so he can own even more of it
the only reason he became a US citizen was so he could buy their media out too...although his citizenship means nothing anyway
so there goes that argument ay!

i do agree with some things you say, but your arrogance in dismissing others is fucked, quite frankly

 

[Azn fairies]

hey butter fly girl- nicely said, i coudn't say it anybetter.

 

[Azn fairies]

ok........

 

[um..]

Originally posted by melbournian
i sad he doent own it, i did not say he doesnt control news ltd.

sucking howards cock.....yuck....dont even make me have to imagine such ayuckyuck yucky thing.

um....is cranky...
i don't think um likes me


okay melbie, be quiet, don't scare people

ahahh does this mean i've proved my point?

 

[Toodulu]

Originally posted by melbournian
I was drunk, you can't hold it against me

aaaahahahahaah, this coming from the guy who told someone that not spelling properly doesn't support their argument.

Originally posted by melbournian
Increasing fees creating a better standard of education, will lead to students potentially recieving higher wages upon leaving university into the workforce, where the government will recieve higher tax receipts.

i suppose increasing fees means (on top of more funds), an incentive to better education standards in competition for students. although i'd hate to think of education as a business. you're not taking into account the students who will find it more difficult to afford tertiary education after the reforms. what happens to them?

Originally posted by 0ver97
with fees higher, the govt has more money to spend on security and defence, and after those tragic terrorists events, im certain you'll put a strong security system before that of urself getting through uni.

oh my fucking god. yes, by making tertiary education less accessible, we can fight those people somewhere in the middle east area who are like, evil.

Originally posted by melbournian
Also, I wouldn't say that China does not have free speech. While China is definantly not a paragon of democratic virtue, its problems lie more in human rights abuses and the like as freedom of speech is becoming more widespread as China gives in to international pressure as it opens up its markets to western money, in it hybrid special economic zones

i don't really know but i guess that is more open trading, which doesn't necessarily mean freedom of speech. however, i do know that a lot of things are still getting censored melbie.

 

[Butterfly_Wings]

Melbourian...just take a look at this for a second.

This was my original post:

Originally posted by Butterfly_Wings
Hasn't John Howard screwed us all over enough times?
Let me throw a few words at you all-
GST
Iraq
HECs fee increase
...now, who the fuck keeps voting this moron in?!?!

This was not directed to anyone in particular-I was merely stating an opinion. I didn't say what it was based on, yet you made this comment:

Originally posted by melbournian

Go live in your little fairy land, with the rest of you the disconnected socialist recalcitrants.

Now, was that justified? Sounds to me like someones basing their opinions on an emotional basis without looking at the facts. (OK-so now I'm just trying to piss you off...)
You then went on to say I had no opinions of my own, which again, was based on nothing but the fact I had different opinions than your own. How do you know I'm just 'regurgitating" socialist propaganda? And even if I were-is it up to you to say I'm right or wrong anyway? Is a thought-out opinion that is similar to this supposed socialist crap not still a persons own opinion?
Debate/discussion is one thing, but rude snap judgements are another. And I'm certainly not about to get into a debate with someone who will disrespect me for every word I say-just like the have done to everyone else in this thread.
I'm not naive enough expect you to admit fault, but just take your head out of your arse for 2 secs and actually think about it.

Originally posted by Azn fairies
hey butter fly girl- nicely said, i coudn't say it anybetter.

Thanks...cos you know, I do put a lot of thought into my 'tantrums'.