Hillary Clinton OR Barack Obama? (2 Viewers)

[1harkina]

Barack Obama all the way
what is the dealio of hillarys group calling him a muslim and showing pictures of him wearing a countrys national dress and then calling him a muslim they are only doing this to scare voters i mean politicians do it all the time when they visit different countries
hillary seems like a fake bimbo
also kate walsh my favorite actress is a big supporter of Barack Obama even helping out with his campaign

 

[blue_chameleon]

Clinton is done for. By staying in, its only wasting time that should be spent on the dempocrats putting forward Obama to run against McCain.

 

[Rafy]

Yep, Clinton is gone. Latest polling indicates all the momentum is with Obama and he would be the best Democrat option v McCain.

"If you average the "poll of polls" -- AP-IPSOS, USA Today/Gallup and CBS/New York Times -- Obama leads Clinton 50 percent to 40 percent, with 10 percent unsure."

"In two different polls, around 70 percent of Democrats polled believe Obama will get their party's nomination."

"[Independents] give McCain a solid lead over Clinton, according to the New York Times-CBS News poll. But independents abandon McCain for Obama.
If Obama's the alternative, McCain's support among independents drops from 52 percent to 36 percent."

 

[Iron]

Yep, Clinton is gone. Latest polling indicates all the momentum is with Obama and he would be the best Democrat option v McCain.

"If you average the "poll of polls" -- AP-IPSOS, USA Today/Gallup and CBS/New York Times -- Obama leads Clinton 50 percent to 40 percent, with 10 percent unsure."

"In two different polls, around 70 percent of Democrats polled believe Obama will get their party's nomination."

"[Independents] give McCain a solid lead over Clinton, according to the New York Times-CBS News poll. But independents abandon McCain for Obama.
If Obama's the alternative, McCain's support among independents drops from 52 percent to 36 percent."

Horse-racing aside, I think that Senator Clinton should be the candidate. She has a massive tonnage of experience against Senator Obama, and having the close advise of President Clinton could make it one of the most competent administrations in a very long time.

I love this leadership cult stuff as much as anyone, but there really is an alarming lack of substance to Senator Obama. His campaign has been a farce. This glossy, lazy appeal to a glorious tomorrow is woeful. Clinton's desporation only proves to me that she understands the stakes more. I fear that an Obama Presidency will be at best dissapointing, at worst disasterous.
Troubling times.

 

[Evan11]

Mcain

 

[jb_nc]

Mcain

10 000 year war

 

[Iron]

She was first lady. It's like Janette Howard running v Alex Hawke...




We've seen how well quoting the advisors of previous administrations has worked for the Bush administration...





Not really, the way I see it he's playing the game rather well, I mean, hell, it motivates people to come out and help him.




Also, as an aside, I'd recommend you brush up on rudimentary spelling, dude.

In earnest response to your comments in regards to record and value for money:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2/21/164117/783/290/461422

I know, it's like quoting greenleftweekly in response to Libertarian arguments, but still, the kosers are lefty and it's a pretty broad breakdown of his voting record and what he has done in the house.

I think the experience argument should really have fallen by the wayside a long time ago.

Also, the man spoke with Lawrence Lessig regarding copyright and intellectual property reform; that honestly speaks volumes in my opinion. Obama seeks the counsel of intelligent experts when it comes to policy decsions and seems to me to really be working for the base of his party, rather than special interests.

Also Hilary's healthcare policy is disastrous and really goes to show everything that is wrong about American health care. Mandatory Insurance is nonsense, mandatory minimum standards of care for all Citizens is really the benchmark.

I'm not going to lay out Clinton's CV. But it's enough to say that she's devoted her long adult life to public service, public policy and winning office (for herself and her husband) since the 70s. Also, she was obviously not the typical first lady. She used that position's power and influence to the max - finding its limits in healthcare.

It would be stupid to say that Obama is not a competent and intelligent guy. He's also likable and has obvious oratory skills (due mainly to a controlled, bellowing african-american preacher voice). But there are big problems when candidates are chosen for style over substance. He has manipulated the American preference for style that, to me, has undermined his campaign's integrity.

The experience argument seems to have become the last resort of the incumbent on the way out. But it shouldnt be ignored. Clinton has the background and contacts to best advance sensible, practical, moderate liberal reform. To not support her is tantamount to treason in my books. It also has a whiff of violence against women (even though she exploits the damsel in distress thing).

At any rate, my gut feeling is that the wheels will come off the Obama-cult wagon in time for McCain to make the tempting appeal to experience, stability, integrity, transparency, moderation in a time of global crisis. Mostly, I think that all the hype and expectation generated by Obama is extremely dangerous. He has forced himself into a series of gambles where the extreme order will have to trump the prudent, low-risk one.

Suddenly Rome is burning and the whole Western endeavor teeters on a knife edge.

 

[chicky_pie]

Fucking Hilary winning, stupid people, the same state that voted for Bush

 

[Iron]

OOOOOOOO yes

 

[MaNiElla]

NoooOOooo :mad1:

 

[onebytwo]

Obama wins in Wyoming

Democrat Barack Obama beat rival Hillary Clinton in Wyoming's nominating contest today, bouncing back from a string of losses that gave Clinton new life in their hotly contested presidential battle.

Obama's victory in the nominating caucus in sparsely populated Wyoming slowed Clinton's momentum after she won three of four contests on Tuesday in their tight duel for the right to face Republican John McCain in November's presidential election.
With 91 per cent of caucus sites reporting, Obama led Clinton by 58 per cent to 41 per cent.
Heavily Republican Wyoming has just 12 delegates to the August convention that will pick the Democratic nominee, one of the smallest hauls in the race, but every state has become crucial in the prolonged battle between the two senators.
Both Obama and Clinton campaigned in Wyoming yesterday, but the two candidates took the day off at home today. Next up is a primary in Mississippi on Tuesday before Obama and Clinton square off in Pennsylvania on April 22.
The win allowed Obama to add slightly to his almost insurmountable lead in the pledged delegates who will help decide the nominee. The exact breakdown of delegates in Wyoming was not immediately clear.
Neither Obama nor Clinton is likely to reach the 2,025 delegates needed to clinch the nomination without help from 796 "superdelegates" -- party officials and insiders free to back any candidate.
The states of Michigan and Florida, which were stripped of their delegates in a dispute with the national party and held unsanctioned contests, also could figure in a final resolution to the tight race.
Officials in both states have discussed redoing their contests so they would produce delegates to the convention, but the candidates, the state parties and national party would have to agree on the timing, funding and formats.
The Wyoming caucus requires voters to turn up at public sites at specific times. Democrats in heavily Republican Wyoming crowded the 23 caucus sites around the state.
Reuters

source:SMH

 

[withoutaface]

Rodham rhymes with Saddam.

 

[Zrap]

Ex-muslim

 

[Silver Persian]

I don't really follow American politics - is Obama a great orator with no substantive policy, or is this merely the impression I've gotten from looking at the headline from the smh?

 

[Starcraftmazter]

I don't really follow American politics - is Obama a great orator with no substantive policy, or is this merely the impression I've gotten from looking at the headline from the smh?

Obama is a prime example of a non-corrupt, non-neocon US politician.

 

[chicky_pie]

I don't really follow American politics - is Obama a great orator with no substantive policy, or is this merely the impression I've gotten from looking at the headline from the smh?

Obama and Clinton's policies are very similar, not all though. The only difference between them is one's a old bitch. :uhhuh:

 

[Starcraftmazter]

I beg to differ, their policies are in no way similar.

Well, at least regarding foreign affairs policy.

Also, Clinton lies.

 

[Iron]

I want to believe in Obama, but..
No, Hillary's really hot.

 

[el gwapo]

http://www.smh.com.au/news/us-election/clinton-fundraiser-in-obama-race-jibe/2008/03/12/1205125943792.html

-stating the obvious. same applies for hillary clinton, except she does two different things, she has a snizz and bill has sex with her (among many other women)

and john mccain is the republican candidate because he's smarter than george bush. then again it's a very broad category.

 

[chicky_pie]

Obama won Mississippi

woot woot.