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Everyone else wrote that it equals zero (odd function etc.) but I thought that you can only integrate something if it is defined in the domain so I wrote that it diverges as x can't equal 1 or -1. Is that right?
Indeed the integral doesn't converge absolutely.

What everyone else wrote is the Cauchy Principal Value. This assigns a value to such integrals. But of course that was not asked here.
 

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Couldn't you just use the taylor series of e^x?
 

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Well that is how e^x is defined in higher mathematics, but at the school level that knowledge is not assumed. You can deduce the inequality pretty easily using properties of the exponential from the 3 unit course.
 

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I don't want to make a thread about this as i could just ask it here. How can a complex function that converges for Re(z)>s where s is a real number have a zero for Re(z)<s. I don't understand the logic and was wondering if the initial statement of convergence must be wrong as a imaginary part of high enough value might change the nature of the limit to infinity. I basically stumbled across this while reading about Reimanns zeta function which converges for Re(S)>1 but has zeroes at Re(s)=1/2 which seems like a contradiction.
 

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I don't want to make a thread about this as i could just ask it here. How can a complex function that converges for Re(z)>s where s is a real number have a zero for Re(z)<s. I don't understand the logic and was wondering if the initial statement of convergence must be wrong as a imaginary part of high enough value might change the nature of the limit to infinity. I basically stumbled across this while reading about Reimanns zeta function which converges for Re(S)>1 but has zeroes at Re(s)=1/2 which seems like a contradiction.
BOS is stuffing up a bit. I quoted your statement to point out something which didn't make sense, then once it appeared in the quote tags, some text appeared *which made the sentence complete*, which was not originally there. I'm betting that if I were to reply, the quote would come off missing parts as well.

You said the Riemann Zeta Function has zeros for Re(s) = 0.5, but this is actually one of the greatest unsolved problems in Mathematics, which you may have heard of.

It is called the Riemann Hypothesis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_hypothesis

It essentially says that all non-trivial zeros for this function have real component 0.5, but is yet to be proved.
 

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Here is a very nice question. If you have done many geometrical applications of Complex Numbers questions, then this shouldn't be too difficult for you, as it draws from a very well known condition. If you don't know this condition... the question may be quite difficult.

Consider the cubic non-zero polynomial with complex coefficients:



Show that the 3 roots form an equilateral triangle if and only if:

 

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I don't want to make a thread about this as i could just ask it here. How can a complex function that converges for Re(z)>s where s is a real number have a zero for Re(z)<s. I don't understand the logic and was wondering if the initial statement of convergence must be wrong as a imaginary part of high enough value might change the nature of the limit to infinity. I basically stumbled across this while reading about Reimanns zeta function which converges for Re(S)>1 but has zeroes at Re(s)=1/2 which seems like a contradiction.
Okay, I see what you are asking. This is a common misconception. The Riemann Zeta function is defined by the series:



ONLY for s with real part larger than one. It turns out there is only one "nice" function that is defined on the whole complex plane (excluding s=1) that agrees with this infinite series wherever the latter converges. THIS is the function that is conjectured to have all nontrivial zeros on the line Re(s)=1/2.
 

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So what your saying is that it only definitely converges for Re(s)>1 but can converge for values less than or equal to one depending on the imaginary part? In this case it can converge but only for specific values of Im(s)<1 ?
 

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No, the series I wrote down converges if and ONLY if Re(s)>1. It diverges everywhere else. However, this fragment of a function can be extended to the whole complex plane in a very natural way. (Excluding the point s=1). This process is called analytic continuation and is a recurring theme in complex analysis.
 

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This process is called analytic continuation and is a recurring theme in complex analysis.
Prove analytic continuation.

It actually is a VERY difficult theorem to prove.
 

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Come on guys, keep this stuff within the realms of MX2.
 

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Prove analytic continuation.

It actually is a VERY difficult theorem to prove.
Which theorem are you referring to? The Monodromy theorem? It isn't too difficult to find the analytic continuation of the zeta function in particular...
 

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Going off Carrot's question, this is to prove the first result (from Cambridge):

<img src="http://latex.codecogs.com/gif.latex?\textup{Consider the area under }y=\frac{1}{x}\textup{ between x=n and x=n+1}\\ a) \textup{ Show that }\frac{1}{n+1}< \int_{n}^{n+1}\frac{1}{x}dx< \frac{1}{n}\\ b)\textup{ Hence show that }\frac{n}{n+1}< ln(1+\frac{1}{n})^n< 1\\ c)\textup{ Take the limit of this last result as n tends to infinity to}\\ \textup{show that }\lim_{n \to \infty }(1+\frac{1}{n})^n=e" title="\textup{Consider the area under }y=\frac{1}{x}\textup{ between x=n and x=n+1}\\ a) \textup{ Show that }\frac{1}{n+1}< \int_{n}^{n+1}\frac{1}{x}dx< \frac{1}{n}\\ b)\textup{ Hence show that }\frac{n}{n+1}< ln(1+\frac{1}{n})^n< 1\\ c)\textup{ Take the limit of this last result as n tends to infinity to}\\ \textup{show that }\lim_{n \to \infty }(1+\frac{1}{n})^n=e" />
 

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Given that:



Show that:

Don't know what you are expecting us to assume, as arbitrary real powers are not defined in the HSC. But we can make sense of the question using the integral definition of the logarithm, and the log laws/differentiation laws that follow.

 
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How would you approach this algebraically (or any general explanation for that matter):

<img src="http://latex.codecogs.com/gif.latex?\textup{find the locus of } arg(z(z-(\sqrt{3} + i))) = \frac{\pi}{6}" title="\textup{find the locus of } arg(z(z-(\sqrt{3} + i))) = \frac{\pi}{6}" />
 
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