left and right wingers - im confused! (2 Viewers)

[Not-That-Bright]

I don't believe the left does believe in empowering the individual.

 

[Generator]

My idea of the left must differ to your own... But I may just be considering the 'mainstream' or centre-left.

I can see a role for the state in empowering the individual... There is no need to believe that the solution can only exist in one extreme or the other (the state or the private sector).

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Edit: As you can see, the left and the right in economic terms is far from being a clear distinction, and when you throw social considerations into the mix (as Xayma pointed out in a previous post)...

 

[ZabZu]

Oh by the way if you think the left is anti-semetic you better pick up this weeks green-left and read the article on the commemoration of Aushwitz. What other paper would place that and also the struggle for citizenship of the Palistinians in the same paper, none other then a fair and balanced left paper.

Your right chubbaraff, it must be understood that there is a difference the left's attitudes towards Jews and Israel. The moderate and mainstream left is not anti-semitic. However, the left is very critical of Israel due to the fact that it possesses a powerful military that places restrictions on the Palestinians who are forced to live under occupation.

 

[miaomiao]

I find that alot of left wing people are also racist, but they hide this not behind rationalisations but by saying stuff like 'My best friend is black!'. Right wing people are intollerant, we accept that we can find differences between the ways people are based on race, culture etc. There were alot of people talking about how asian parents are more demanding and abusive, these people were generally on the left wing of politics... however they rationalised this when i confronted them by saying "yes but this is accurate, it is truth, are u willing to deny that asian parents aren't more demanding and abusive?".

My parents aren't demanding or abusive of me and they're asian. How many 'asians' do you even have close relationships with to make such
nasty accusations? Even if this is the case for some people with parents from China or Korea etc., how is it hurting YOU as an 'individual' which seems to be what your main concern in life is?

The same can be said for when people on the right complain about how much crime is commited by aboriginals, the fact is aboriginals do commit alot of crime, we accept that it's a social issue and that they need education, but it is fact that at the moment that aboriginals are more likely to be criminals then whites.

Aboriginal people are over represented in the prison system. They are arrested more often than white people. A huge problem in our society which noone seems to be doing much about. The issue of Aboriginal deaths in custody should be on the governments main agenda...but it's not. Education regarding aboriginal culture, language, history should be addressed... but it's not. I don't understand what you're trying to prove by saying that those on the right complain that there are more aboriginal criminals than white criminals Complaining about the problem (or rather ignoring it which is what the right does) isn't helping anyone.

What is wrong with individualism? What is wrong with impowering individuals to achieve their own personal dreams? would you have it that we should all exist for the same purpose and help each other? Practice what you preach, every dollar you make donate and spread it amung everyone in the world. If you want to end social injustice, you can on your own.. as an individual help to end this injustice.

There is nothing wrong with individualism or empowering individuals to acheive there own personal dreams but you have to understand that social injustice is simply too large and broad a problem to be put to an end by one person. There are already thousands of people putting there energy into 'making the world a better place' but do you honestly expect them to do it on their own, as individuals? Why do you think we even have a government?

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Men in general are over represented in the prison system, maybe we should do something about that too?
Complaining about the problem and trying to come up with solutions is what the right does, however our solutions are more realistic... at the moment it's not that our legal system is corrupt & racist that more aboriginals are being put in gaol, it's because more aboriginals are causing problems...
It must be fought in a two pronged approach, the social/cultural changes which have to be made.. along with greater education.. AND putting those who do wrongs through prision, however hopefully by the end of prison being rehabilitated and ready to live a normal life ( i don't think this is the case at the moment, i'd like to see more training programs thru prisons ).

 

[miaomiao]

The prison system rarely re-habilitates inmates and should only be considered as a last option when sentencing. Exposed to drugs and viloence in jail- the rate of recidivism is high for offenders. Mandatory sentencing (another 'right' idea)- great for aboriginies!
What education are you talking about?

 

[Li0n]

Palestines are also semites, why is it that when you hear the word jew you automatically associate jews, and ONLY jews as semites.

sigh

 

[rantman]

Men in general are over represented in the prison system, maybe we should do something about that too?
Complaining about the problem and trying to come up with solutions is what the right does, however our solutions are more realistic... at the moment it's not that our legal system is corrupt & racist that more aboriginals are being put in gaol, it's because more aboriginals are causing problems...
It must be fought in a two pronged approach, the social/cultural changes which have to be made.. along with greater education.. AND putting those who do wrongs through prision, however hopefully by the end of prison being rehabilitated and ready to live a normal life ( i don't think this is the case at the moment, i'd like to see more training programs thru prisons ).

so sweep them under the carpet away from society and hope that they become better ppl?
crime prevention is a better alternative than fixing these ppl up after they break the law, parents at home and police going into schools and teaching kids before they learn from bad influence. improving the social and community environment of typical offenders is better than re-educating hardened criminals
its easier to teach ppl who havent walked down the wrong side of the law than those who have

 

[mr EaZy]

Palestines are also semites, why is it that when you hear the word jew you automatically associate jews, and ONLY jews as semites.

sigh

i never knew they were semites
i thought only arabs and jews were........

 

[Not-That-Bright]

so sweep them under the carpet away from society and hope that they become better ppl?
crime prevention is a better alternative than fixing these ppl up after they break the law, parents at home and police going into schools and teaching kids before they learn from bad influence. improving the social and community environment of typical offenders is better than re-educating hardened criminals
its easier to teach ppl who havent walked down the wrong side of the law than those who have

yes rantman... but i was saying that both needs to be done, u can't just give up on the current criminals

 

[Comrade nathan]

i never knew they were semites
i thought only arabs and jews were........

Palastinians are Arabs. Like Iraqis are Arabs.

 

[mr EaZy]

thats right but arabs are not iraqis!
yea ok watever!

 

[Not-That-Bright]

wtf?
Iraqi's are arabs..... iraq, saudi arabia, etc used to be a part of the former arabian ottoman empire damn eyes keep rolling tonight.

 

[mr EaZy]

yes iraqis are arabs,
but arabs are not iraqis!!

u get these questions in IQ tests (Something like : if A is part of B, then is B part of A?) -
(whats ur iq? lol kidding! )


i got a question for ya
Not that bright!

the ottomans are turks right?
where did the turks come from??

 

[Bone577]

yes iraqis are arabs,
but arabs are not iraqis!!

u get these questions in IQ tests (Something like : if A is part of B, then is B part of A?) -
(whats ur iq? lol kidding! )


i got a question for ya
Not that bright!

the ottomans are turks right?
where did the turks come from??

You logic has problems. A true statement would be.

Iraqis are arabs
But not ALL arabs are iraqis.

To say that arabs are not Iraqis is false, as some are.

Leftists hate jews.

Some of the most prominant figures on the left, throughout history have been Jews. Trotsky was a Jew. Chomsky is a Jew. Half of the writers at zmag.net are Jews (well a substantial number). You could easily say Chomsky is the most prominant dissident on earth with confidence. You could probably say, pre capita, Jews are probably the most active people on the left.

Did you give any thought to that statement at all?

 

[Li0n]

You logic has problems. A true statement would be.

Iraqis are arabs
But not ALL arabs are iraqis.

To say that arabs are not Iraqis is false, as some are.




Some of the most prominant figures on the left, throughout history have been Jews. Trotsky was a Jew. Chomsky is a Jew. Half of the writers at zmag.net are Jews (well a substantial number). You could easily say Chomsky is the most prominant dissident on earth with confidence. You could probably say, pre capita, Jews are probably the most active people on the left.

Did you give any thought to that statement at all?

As he would say, "When in doubt or confusion, flame"

 

[loquasagacious]

In fact it is common accusation from the fringe left (eg formerly the nazi's now conspracy theorists) that jews expound communism. In this way they link two things they hate - left-ism and jews.

 

[mr EaZy]

You logic has problems. A true statement would be.

Iraqis are arabs
But not ALL arabs are iraqis.

To say that arabs are not Iraqis is false, as some are.

aha yea tru

the word "ALL" is the key to the puzzle i suppose

but now i think of it, the whole argument i put forward was defunct anywayz

people will bring in stuff like iraqi kurds are iraqis but not arabs

 

[mr EaZy]

i think i had this kind of question in mind


21. Most Clicks are Klacks, and most Klacks are Zeets. In the following statements, more than one answer can be true. Which one is definitely true?
All Clicks are Zeets
Most Clicks are Zeets
Some Clicks are Zeets
None of the above statements are definitely true

 

[loquasagacious]

Ah emodes IQ tests - what did you get?