Long-un strategies for NUS (yet another VSU thread) (2 Viewers)

[Korn]

It doesn't matter, people don't see it that way. The unions are pissing off first years (at least the ones i know) by being annoying jerks about VSU. Honestly, imo, if the unions wanted to survive they should be nicer. Hows bout instead of rallying, having some sort of a solidarity day where people get together and sign up for the union next year, with a band and showcasing all the GOODIES u get for ur money.

That's a very good idea, I like it

 

[walrusbear]

It doesn't matter, people don't see it that way. The unions are pissing off first years (at least the ones i know) by being annoying jerks about VSU. Honestly, imo, if the unions wanted to survive they should be nicer. Hows bout instead of rallying, having some sort of a solidarity day where people get together and sign up for the union next year, with a band and showcasing all the GOODIES u get for ur money.

isn't that called o-week?

it's stupid of you for calling the union negative in its approach when the government is so cynical of their activities
the anti-VSU campaigning is about informing people, and highlighting its seriousness
if its annoying some of your friends i'd suggest it's more to do with apathy?...
they want a depoliticised campus?

 

[Espo15]

sexism is generally against women, this is the other way around, therefore reverse sexism. But yeah its just sexism

no. no. no.

what you're talking about is just sexism. what you're thinking about (I think) is reverse discrimination, wherein those who have been disadvantaged in the past are given special preference/opportunities (e.g. aboriginals being offered scholarships, special welfare benefits etc)

sexism is the act of discriminating against anyone on the basis of their sex, not solely males working against females, and the only thing that could be considered 'reverse sexism' would be the provision of benefits to those who had been previously discriminated against due to their gender.

 

[Korn]

isn't that called o-week?

it's stupid of you for calling the union negative in its approach when the government is so cynical of their activities
the anti-VSU campaigning is about informing people, and highlighting its seriousness
if its annoying some of your friends i'd suggest it's more to do with apathy?...
they want a depoliticised campus?

Not much is free at O-week u have to pay money to sign up to most of the clubs

 

[iamsickofyear12]

what sort of adaptation techniques are there to VSU?

unions won't be gaining funding anymore
prob around 5% or less will pay union fees once the policy is instituted

If unions benefit everyone like they say they do then it should be easy to get people to continue to pay, but because they don't actually benefit anyone there is no real strategy and so thats why there will be VSU.

 

[walrusbear]

If unions benefit everyone like they say they do then it should be easy to get people to continue to pay, but because they don't actually benefit anyone there is no real strategy and so thats why there will be VSU.

i disagree
i believe unions can't exist without universal support on campus
most people are too self-concerned to see the need for a collective student voice
unfortunately many who need it will have to suffer but that's how things are in the country at the moment
this whole idea of the union operating with those who want it is a fallacy (imo). whilst it may possibly provide some services to selected members its representative power is completely gone.

 

[Korn]

i disagree
i believe unions can't exist without universal support on campus
most people are too self-concerned to see the need for a collective student voice
unfortunately many who need it will have to suffer but that's how things are in the country at the moment
this whole idea of the union operating with those who want it is a fallacy (imo). whilst it may possibly provide some services to selected members its representative power is completely gone.

Well if the majority of students dont like USU and the unions, how are they representitive of these ppl

 

[iamsickofyear12]

i disagree
i believe unions can't exist without universal support on campus
most people are too self-concerned to see the need for a collective student voice

If people are so self-concerned then they will pay for the union if it is benefiting them. The problem is that for a lot of people they don't get much in return for their money.

I don't think unions can't exist without universal support, not with scaled down services on a user pay basis. The problem right not is only 5% of people will still pay because people don't think they are benefiting.

 

[iamsickofyear12]

Well if the majority of students dont like USU and the unions, how are they representitive of these ppl

Thats a good point, they have no business representing 100% of people when they only really represent 5%.

 

[walrusbear]

Well if the majority of students dont like USU and the unions, how are they representitive of these ppl

do a majority of people dislike USU and unions?

 

[iamsickofyear12]

do a majority of people dislike USU and unions?

Obviously the majority don't care because they didn't turn up to the protest.

 

[Xayma]

what sort of adaptation techniques are there to VSU?

unions won't be gaining funding anymore
prob around 5% or less will pay union fees once the policy is instituted

How did you come to this conclusion? In Western Australia it was significantly more.

 

[walrusbear]

How did you come to this conclusion? In Western Australia it was significantly more.

pulled it out of my arse

notice the 'prob' before it
i meant signicantly low

 

[walrusbear]

Obviously the majority don't care because they didn't turn up to the protest.

that's a dubious conclusion to make

 

[walrusbear]

in addition to what i was saying earlier
if people do dislike USU and unions is it for the right reasons?

 

[loquasagacious]

On my campuss a majority support the uni however do not like its campaign against VSU.

 

[walrusbear]

how can the union afford not to campaign against VSU??
or is it the nature of their campaign? i don't get it

people act surprised when the union responds to destructive government policy

 

[Not-That-Bright]

It's not (ESSENTIALLY) destructive tho, it mearly creates 'choice'.
People look at it and go "oh ok, so now i have a choice... The unions cool tho so i might stick around" "wait no, they're jerks, maybe i won't join".

 

[walrusbear]

on the surface it's about 'choice'

but really, it's an ideological attack from the government. an attempt to destroy unions, destroy students as a collective force and undermine intellectualism.
the policy is sold by Nelson as a chance for people to get some money in the pocket, absolutely not a way of reforming unions or enriching campus life.

it's just the neoliberal approach to education i guess, i really dislike it

 

[Not-That-Bright]

but really, it's an ideological attack from the government. an attempt to destroy unions, destroy students as a collective force and undermine intellectualism.
the policy is sold by Nelson as a chance for people to get some money in the pocket, absolutely not a way of reforming unions or enriching campus life.

It is an ideological attack.... about choice. The Liberals ideologically believe that we should have a right to choice, Labor & Lefties generally think that we should be collectives, and the personal choice of others doesn't matter.