Long-un strategies for NUS (yet another VSU thread) (1 Viewer)

[iamsickofyear12]

let's ignore those retarded posts iamsickofyr12 hijacked the thread with and get back on topic

so how about that VSU

not a fan myself

You can't be talking, you hijacked it before with your constant repetition of the same rediculous theories on VSU and you didn't exactly help the cause.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

*prays for an idiot on the side of usu to come crashing into the forum*

 

[walrusbear]

You can't be talking, you hijacked it before with your constant repetition of the same rediculous theories on VSU and you didn't exactly help the cause.

should i bother paying out your spelling?

what was wrong with my arguments supporting USU? you suggested (unsubstantially) that a majority of people opposed USU, then when discussion of the nature of democracy came up you posted a slew of retarded posts and embarrassed yourself
(not to mention this is a VSU thread)

 

[walrusbear]

has anyone got anything else to add?

has there been any government response to yesterday's rally? response from Nelson or anything?

 

[iamsickofyear12]

here was the intelligent comment that started it all

And I said that because you said this...

most people voted last election without knowing what was really at stake

But people did know what was at stake. They knew that if we had a labor government all the positive changes that have been made over the past several years by the liberal government would be wrecked. And more to add to it. And a lot of the fault probably falls on the shoulders of latham.

 

[Generator]

let's ignore those retarded posts iamsickofyr12 hijacked the thread with and get back on topic

so how about that VSU

not a fan myself

Not much of a fan, but I'll continue to support the organisations. Then again, even though I cannot stand the sporting association (or whatever it may be called now), I guess that I should support in principle and back that up with a hit to my wallet. To tell the truth, though, I would be happy enough to just support the SRC for the services and representation that it provides. However, with one comes all, and I would like to help facilitate a more active campus in some way.

Of course, I'm lucky enough to be living at home so I'm more likely to able take the odd financial hit if necessary. VSU is a positive in that sense (disadvantaged students not being able to subscribe to all three organisations), but that's about as far as I am concerned.

 

[iamsickofyear12]

should i bother paying out your spelling?

what was wrong with my arguments supporting USU? you suggested (unsubstantially) that a majority of people opposed USU, then when discussion of the nature of democracy came up you posted a slew of retarded posts and embarrassed yourself
(not to mention this is a VSU thread)

No - I don't care about spelling much.
You suggested (unsubstantially) that the majority of people opposed VSU.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

"I'm sorry those of u who don't want vuluntary unionism, and you can still join the union next year" was basically what they said.

The problem i have with alot of anti-vsu arguments is that they act although the entire union will be destroyed, and in my opinion it will simply be reduced.

edit: i'd like to chime in on what generator stated, and point out that the most logical reasons (from the mind of a crazy right winger) like me to keep the unions at all, is;
a) stuff like childcare
b) that students have representation AGAINST THE UNIVERSITY.

 

[walrusbear]

And I said that because you said this...



But people did know what was at stake. They knew that if we had a labor government all the positive changes that have been made over the past several years by the liberal government would be wrecked. And more to add to it. And a lot of the fault probably falls on the shoulders of latham.

that's a dubious claim
that kinda reads like a liberal party election campaign

what i was referring to when i said that is a lot of reforms the government have planned to bring in were not brought up during the election at all. under this government things such as VSU, other union attacks and privatisation of telstra etc. will be instituted. i believe a lot of voters weren't aware of this

 

[walrusbear]

No - I don't care about spelling much.
You suggested (unsubstantially) that the majority of people opposed VSU.

actually i pointed out that it's kinda murky and i'm unsure if there's a majority

 

[walrusbear]

"I'm sorry those of u who don't want vuluntary unionism, and you can still join the union next year" was basically what they said.

The problem i have with alot of anti-vsu arguments is that they act although the entire union will be destroyed, and in my opinion it will simply be reduced.

edit: i'd like to chime in on what generator stated, and point out that the most logical reasons (from the mind of a crazy right winger) like me to keep the unions at all, is;
a) stuff like childcare
b) that students have representation AGAINST THE UNIVERSITY.

two important issues that a lot of pro-VSU sidestep

i think the unions will be severely reduced, to the point of no power

 

[Xayma]

Not much of a fan, but I'll continue to support the organisations. Then again, even though I cannot stand the sporting association (or whatever it may be called now), I guess that I should support in principle and back that up with a hit to my wallet. To tell the truth, though, I would be happy enough to just support the SRC for the services and representation that it provides. However, with one comes all, and I would like to help facilitate a more active campus in some way.

Of course, I'm lucky enough to be living at home so I'm more likely to able take the odd financial hit if necessary.

I'll probably join the SRC, iff, I have an option of whether I want to support political campaigns or not (including SRC elections [somehow I have a feeling that number is overly large to run polling booths and counters]), the Union again if I can choose what I want (I don't want subsidised food when its cheaper for me to eat at home), SUSport maybe, even though I get even less of a benefit from then than others. However, I like the fact that it is promoting more of a healthy lifestyle but depends on how much cash I have.

 

[iamsickofyear12]

that's a dubious claim
that kinda reads like a liberal party election campaign

what i was referring to when i said that is a lot of reforms the government have planned to bring in were not brought up during the election at all. under this government things such as VSU, other union attacks and privatisation of telstra etc. will be instituted. i believe a lot of voters weren't aware of this

Theres no way any government ever would tell eveyone all their plans before an election. Labor wouldn't have been any different. They are the liberal party, you would expect unions to come under attack, and the privatisation of telstra was just a matter of time.

The idea of an election isn't to weigh up every single policy of each party then decided which one comes out on top, its more about informing people of the general direction for the future.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

The problem with the idea of having the option to support political campaigns or not, is that what they'd do is, people that want to support campaigns... ALL of their money goes towards campaigns, negating the other persons "protest" contribution.

 

[walrusbear]

ideally i will support all three
if only to make a costly point

 

[iamsickofyear12]

actually i pointed out that it's kinda murky and i'm unsure if there's a majority

I don't think there is even close to being a majority. As much as you don't like it the numbers at the rally are a good measure.

 

[Xayma]

The problem with the idea of having the option to support political campaigns or not, is that what they'd do is, people that want to support campaigns... ALL of their money goes towards campaigns, negating the other persons "protest" contribution.

Hence why I want to see costings laid out on a sheet in a way that it forms a contract that $x will go towards this etc (although I'm not 100% sure on what would constitute one). I also dont want some discount going to those who take the bulk package.

 

[Generator]

"I'm sorry those of u who don't want vuluntary unionism, and you can still join the union next year" was basically what they said.

The problem i have with alot of anti-vsu arguments is that they act although the entire union will be destroyed, and in my opinion it will simply be reduced.

edit: i'd like to chime in on what generator stated, and point out that the most logical reasons (from the mind of a crazy right winger) like me to keep the unions at all, is;
a) stuff like childcare
b) that students have representation AGAINST THE UNIVERSITY.

The only problem is in what the organisations will be reduced to. That is open to dispute, and it's something that the representative bodies fear most as their most valuable contributions largely go unnoticed and their more public forms of activity revolve around minority causes that 'are of no benefit to us' (edit: causes that I and many others support, though). It's largely their own fault in that it seems as though they only really promote themselves once a year and then it is so that the campus factions can support a young politician's first step towards a career in some form of government. I hope that USyd's SRC can counter this effectively and point out the unremarked yet essential aid services that it provides.

 

[iamsickofyear12]

i think the unions will be severely reduced, to the point of no power

If the unions have so little support that they are that severely reduced then they shouldn't have any power because they would no longer be representing the majority of students.

 

[walrusbear]

Theres no way any government ever would tell eveyone all their plans before an election. Labor wouldn't have been any different. They are the liberal party, you would expect unions to come under attack, and the privatisation of telstra was just a matter of time.

The idea of an election isn't to weigh up every single policy of each party then decided which one comes out on top, its more about informing people of the general direction for the future.

well you can hardly say that occurred
liberal party ran a campaign accusing the labor party of being likely to raise interest rates
many voters would interpret this as the liberal party maintaining current interest rates
i'm not so sure people were aware of unions under attack or if they'd agree that the privatisation of telstra is 'just a matter of time'