Long-un strategies for NUS (yet another VSU thread) (1 Viewer)

[katie_tully]

I want to go to Italy, to learn Italian and to have a cultural experience. It's not going to benefit anybody other than myself.

Who wants to fund my excursion. Please? I'll send you a postcard.

Maybe.

 

[Xayma]

i'm not sure of the breakdown or how'd you even find it.
i mean it's all murky water really, since many probably would want USU if they understood more of its political and social implications and aren't sold by the '$600 in the pocket' calls. apathy is another confounding factor
democratically i suppose if a majority of people want VSU then it's going to happen (although ironically it will pass undemocratically since one party essentially has a senate majority).
i guess it's going to happen regardless

imo it's a bad thing.

But since that senate was voted in by a majority and that one group holds the majority (which actually implies it is democratic)...

edit: wrong word oh well it was still readable

 

[Generator]

But since that senate was voted in by a majority and that one group holds the majority (which actually applies it is democratic)...

USU has been pushed before, but in this instance it wasn't an election policy. I can see your point, though.

 

[walrusbear]

But since that senate was voted in by a majority and that one party holds the majority (which actually applies it is democratic)...

so if a democracy votes in a dictatorship (not saying its the same thing but taking this logic further) is it still a democracy?

surely a balance in a senate would be considered a key part of keeping democratic voice in check
i'm hopeful that the australian voters would not approve of the senate control anyway. most people voted last election without knowing what was really at stake

 

[iamsickofyear12]

reform by removing support and funding?
lets see how it plays out

People have been forced to pay them for I don't know how many years, its about time they earnt their money.

 

[iamsickofyear12]

so if a democracy votes in a dictatorship (not saying its the same thing but taking this logic further) is it still a democracy?

surely a balance in a senate would be considered a key part of keeping democratic voice in check
i'm hopeful that the australian voters would not approve of the senate control anyway. most people voted last election without knowing what was really at stake

Most people voted the way they did in the last election because Latham is a moron and Labor would ruin the country.

 

[walrusbear]

People have been forced to pay them for I don't know how many years, its about time they earnt their money.

they do more than is credited for
poor unions

 

[katie_tully]

so if a democracy votes in a dictatorship (not saying its the same thing but taking this logic further) is it still a democracy?

surely a balance in a senate would be considered a key part of keeping democratic voice in check
i'm hopeful that the australian voters would not approve of the senate control anyway. most people voted last election without knowing what was really at stake

Providing we got a benevolent dictator.

 

[walrusbear]

Most people voted the way they did in the last election because Latham is a moron and Labor would ruin the country.

hahaha i can see you were one of those voters

 

[Xayma]

so if a democracy votes in a dictatorship (not saying its the same thing but taking this logic further) is it still a democracy?

surely a balance in a senate would be considered a key part of keeping democratic voice in check
i'm hopeful that the australian voters would not approve of the senate control anyway. most people voted last election without knowing what was really at stake

Yes. In a way. Although their chances of re-election would be low.

Although keep in mind this isn't true democracy.

Many people vote at every election without knowing what is really at stake. An unfortunate reflection of our society.

Personally I don't like using that argument (that the senate majority is democratic) but I use it quite a bit dealing with "the SRC were democratically elected"

 

[leetom]

Yes. In a way. Although their chances of re-election would be low.

Although keep in mind this isn't true democracy.

Many people vote at every election without knowing what is really at stake. An unfortunate reflection of our society.

The regular voter is an idiot?

 

[Xayma]

I wouldn't go that far (trying to be semi politically correct) but they often don't research past the major election promises into the parties.

 

[leetom]

I want to go to Italy, to learn Italian and to have a cultural experience. It's not going to benefit anybody other than myself.

Who wants to fund my excursion. Please? I'll send you a postcard.

Maybe.

That's stupid Tully.

Mass student attendance at an educational institution is different from an individual holiday.

Don't be stupid.

 

[iamsickofyear12]

hahaha i can see you were one of those voters

No, I couldn't vote then. But if I could of thats what I would of done. People who vote labor either do it only because of family and cultural influence or because they don't know whats going on. Most people with common sense will vote Liberal.

 

[withoutaface]

That's stupid Tully.

Mass student attendance at an educational institution is different from an individual holiday.

Don't be stupid.

Those on the SRC board don't see the distinction

 

[Generator]

No, I couldn't vote then. But if I could of thats what I would of done. People who vote labor either do it only because of family and cultural influence or because they don't know whats going on. Most people with common sense will vote Liberal.

Nice assumption. Sadly, it isn't that simple. Besides, I like to think that I'm not that stupid in supporting the ALP (preferenced after voting for the Dems, though).

 

[leetom]

People who vote liberal either do it only because of family and cultural influence or because they don't know whats going on. Most people with common sense will vote Labor.[/QUOTE]

 

[Xayma]

Why do I feel like I got stuck on that debating team with the person who tries so hard but gets everything so wrong?

Iamsickofyear12: Justify how voting Labor means they have no common sense? It often comes down to different intepretations of what is fair, and what is the right thing to do.

You will see the parties play this by trying to adapt to the grey areas between people's views. Liberals did a better job last election at doing this.

 

[iamsickofyear12]

Nice assumption. Sadly, it isn't that simple. Besides, I like to think that I'm not that stupid in supporting the ALP (preferenced after voting for the Dems, though).

The only people who have an excuse for voting for labor are the people who are going to benefit a lot from their policies, and that isn't a lot of people.

 

[iamsickofyear12]

Iamsickofyear12: Justify how voting Labor means they have no common sense? It often comes down to different intepretations of what is fair, and what is the right thing to do.

Thats right, it does come down to interpretation. I am saying the people who voted for labor have the wrong interpretation.