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katie_tully
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No...I wanna be the intern.
yeah everyone will be like, omg refugees and asylum seekers, that's so last year!katie_tully said:Thing I love about this is;
in 12 months time, just like Sara Marie, nobody will give a flying fuck who merlin is and what merlin did.
amen.
what's that? avoiding actually making any statements to back up your comments? omg! what are the odds?tWiStEdD said:whatever floats your boat mate.
okay. how is it over there in dream land?
tWiStEdD said:she speaks of individuals. i dont believe you had any say in the iraqi war, i dont believe you were involved in the iraqi war and i dont believe you currently support the iraqi war (or do you?).
firstly, no she wasn't talking about individuals. notice the 'we'. she was referring to australia as a whole. and secondly, who do you think the government represents? they are not a body separate from the people, they are a body of the people. if the people don't like how another country is being run, then the people (you know, those 'individuals' in the army) are sent over there to change how the other country is run. if individuals had no opinion one the running of iraq, then we wouldn't have invaded them, simple as thatkatie_tully said:Do we go overseas and criticise the way other people run their country? No.
so you are agreeing that people from foreign countries often have a say in the running of that country? as you said, america have been doing it in iraq for 30 yearskatie_tully said:As for Iraq, I have never once said I agreed with the invasion of Iraq. America caused the problem, they instated him. They've known for 30 years what he's being doing, and only now they decide to get rid of him once and for all. How convenient that America just happened to be in a recession before the war...Let's go storm an oil rich nation, because we're not stupid.
Secondly, what's me not being able to vote have to do with any fucking thing? Nothing. See, I don't have the choice, for another 12 months whether I can vote or not. Merlin had the choice. There's the difference.
Uhh, Yeah. 'We' kinda do.Do we go overseas and criticise the way other people run their country? No.
I've had enough of your stupidity and nonsense. Your an idiot who doesn't know what he/she is taking about. Go sit on your lounge chair or tie yourself to a tree you bloody hippy. Everyone else has called you these names, good on 'em. I'll re-say that, everyone ELSE. This else group is the group of even more idiots who are just trying to go along with the crowd (sorry to the ones who actually do believe in it). Your arguements HAVE been flawed on numerous occaisons and you just don't see it. Your a bloody disgrace to this country. Who wants to vote Crazyhomo off the Island?crazyhomo said:everyone else has called me "the only person who provides the most objective and logical points", i have "very strong arguments" and that i am also "right".
I said it before mate and I'll say it again. If you ever go for parliament you've got my vote-your a legend.tWiStEdD said:homo: you're off track again. create your own thread for 'spot the errors is your fellow poster's grammar' in the meantime go chew on some razor blades.
wow, look at that, all my flawed arguments proven wrong. and it was so simple! all you had to do was ignore them and you became right about everything!thorrnydevil said:I've had enough of your stupidity and nonsense. Your an idiot who doesn't know what he/she is taking about. Go sit on your lounge chair or tie yourself to a tree you bloody hippy. Everyone else has called you these names, good on 'em. I'll re-say that, everyone ELSE. This else group is the group of even more idiots who are just trying to go along with the crowd (sorry to the ones who actually do believe in it). Your arguements HAVE been flawed on numerous occaisons and you just don't see it. Your a bloody disgrace to this country. Who wants to vote Crazyhomo off the Island?
*cough*youcantvote*cough*thorrnydevil said:I said it before mate and I'll say it again. If you ever go for parliament you've got my vote-your a legend.
What do you think he should do with it then? That was one of my points. Do you want him to go into petty advertising and minor television hosting roles? Or do something that really means something to people? I, for one, would think better to do something meaningful, to show who you really are.tWiStEdD said:Merlin, the righteous wizard
I also dont think he should use his 15 minutes of fame to ensure his political opinions are heard.
Yeh, their lucky allright...tWiStEdD said:- If I had a time machine I would go back in time and let France or Spain take over... do you really think the Aboriginals would have it any better under those two? -shudder- They should be counting their lucky stars that they even exist today.
You would definately be not saying that if you hadnt seen your mother for 40 years because you were taken from her when you were 5. Imagine if that had happenned and some bloke said to you, "Stop whinging mate, be happy your alive".... I dunno, but personally, that doesnt sound like the best idea. (Not including the fact that your life has little future, because of mismanagement of funds)tWiStEdD said:I really dont think it should be wasted moping and whinging about the past, i'm sorry... that's just how i look at it.
thorrnydevil said:I've had enough of your stupidity and nonsense. Your an idiot who doesn't know what he/she is taking about. Go sit on your lounge chair or tie yourself to a tree you bloody hippy. Everyone else has called you these names, good on 'em. I'll re-say that, everyone ELSE. This else group is the group of even more idiots who are just trying to go along with the crowd (sorry to the ones who actually do believe in it). Your arguements HAVE been flawed on numerous occaisons and you just don't see it. Your a bloody disgrace to this country.
And yes, Merlin was in a detention centre. Thats after he'd lived in our country for six years, ILLEGALY!
ok, so first u were saying he has to become an Aussie citizen and to be able to vote to have his words heard. And now ur saying he CHOSE NOT to vote? Well, don't u have to be an aussie citizen anyway to be able to vote, and u mentioned that he isn't? Please make ur statements/arguments more clear........
and I said Regardless of what status a person is in, everyone still has the right to speak out, please note the key sentence
A few things there that are completely untrue. First, you speak in past tense all the time. "Merlin decided not to" "Merlin HAD the choice to become one".katie_tully said:I would vote, if I could. As I can't, I'll remain firm on the grounds that if you're going to live in a country, speak out on issues in that country and make a politcal stand, you should, out of respect become a citizen of this country. Merlin is not a citizen. Merlin cannot vote. Merlin had the choice to become one. Merlin decided not to. Merlin then criticizes the Australian government.
Genocide, Killing, Displacement, Removal of birthrites. These are terrible words that dont need plurals. There are differences between the Australians that murdered, among other terrible attrocities, Aborigines and the Germans that slaughtered 6 million Jews, Communists, Political prisoners, Gypsies, Non-Aryans. But it is not in the numbers. The scale is not what makes the biggest difference. The events in WW2 and through Australia's history are markedly different, but result in similar atrocities. The belittling of the line between Nazi Germany and Liberal (and at times, Labor) Australia come through in the results. Death, Persecution, Destruction.katie_tully said:You can draw a distinct line between the Australians who murdered the Aboriginals, and the Germans who murdered 6 million jews. If we're expected to say sorry for something we didn't do, if we're supposed to feel guilty for being born into a country that was stolen by somebody else then, as I've said before, everybody should apologise and feel guilty. Regardless of whether it was yesterday, 100 years ago or 500 years ago.
Simply not true. Aboriginals have it far worse off than the african americans do. Dont make me prove that. Just know that for a fact. And what a disastrous word use. "better than they treat their blacks". THEIR??? BLACKS??? please. Dont think me petty because i stopped you from using blacks to shorten African Americans. It was the use of the two words together that is the nasty bit. The African Americans are a large proportion of USA, the "blacks" are not OWNED, they exist.katie_tully said:We are not America. Stop using what happens in America to compare to what happens in Australia. We treat our Aboriginals better than they treat their blacks. We, as a nation are making an effort to keep their culture in tact, to educate them...
katie_tully said:Why am I even refering to the Aboriginals, as them? Because throughout this entire Merlin topic, everybody has drawn a distinct line between them and us. But we're the same aren't we? We're Australians. One combined nation of different nationalities. Therefore, as a multicultural nation, we should move on, not forget but not apologise for the past.
katie_tully said:There should be NO distinct line, we should be united. Instead, I see these special organisations dedicated to one specific race of people, constantly drawing a line between themselves and us.
katie_tully said:Moving on, protecting their own identity, and moving forwards will.
First you want unity, then you say keep culture. One or the other baby. You may think you can have both but read on, and i will explain the differences between these groups in society that prevents it from happening.katie_tully said:We, as a nation are making an effort to keep their culture in tact, to educate them...
Does it not occur to you, that if in fact these problems had been solved, then there would be no problem.katie_tully said:By saying sorry, and therefore admitting to doing wrong, we are not strengthening our nation. What will it prove? It proves that we are sorry for the fact that the Aboriginals have experienced injustices. But newsflash kids; They no longer suffer any more injustice than any other person in this country. Aboriginals shouldnt be treated any different to whites, italians, asians, etc.
The situation has been rectified. The Aboriginals have health care, education, equal oppurtunities and government incentives.