Official Apology Thread (2 Viewers)

For or against "apology"?

  • Sorry was necessary.

    Votes: 81 55.5%
  • Sorry wasn't appropriate.

    Votes: 32 21.9%
  • I couldn't give a toss about them or an apology

    Votes: 33 22.6%

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Re: Rudd to say Sorry on February 12

pen-el-ope said:
I was referring to the caliber of both the content and delivery. And after studying "I have a dream", in quite some depth for Extention 2 I would argue I have a firm grasp of both the context and intent of that speech.

Both speeches displayed remarkable and inspirational themes of equality and the need to move together into the future.

Clearly you have failed to comprehend the meaning of both adresses.

Pitty.
You know if you're going to brag about your English skillz...
 

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Re: Rudd to say Sorry on February 12

penelope the pitty is that you are a retard.

stop dispensing a vaguely intellectual statement in an attempt to dissmiss the fact that you are wrong.

Clearly you have failed to realise that nobody likes you nor respects your view point as although some people may feel sorry for them for what happened no one is actually 'sorry' because quite simply we didn't do it (really its not that hard do comprehend)

"The current generation should not be held accountable for past misdeeds." John Howard.

Ps. how about you 'have a firm grasp' of the penis on your forehead and pull on it for the remainder of the evening
 

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Re: Rudd to say Sorry on February 12

I can't believe people forgot about this.

Remembering the Hilton Hotel bombing

EARLY on the morning of February 13, 1978, terror struck the streets of Sydney when a bomb exploded outside the Hilton Hotel in George St.
The blast killed three people and hurt seven more, including policeman Terry Griffiths, who has lived with horrible injuries ever since.

On today's 30th anniversary of this gutless and cowardly attack, the whole NSW community honours the victims, their families and the survivors. They are not forgotten.

The Hilton bombing was terrorism, pure and simple. Then prime minister Malcolm Fraser and 11 visiting Commonwealth leaders were staying in the hotel at the time. This was a carefully timed attack on their meeting.

The Hilton bombing was one of those moments when our community lost its innocence. It brought Australia into the terrorist era.

For places like Israel and Northern Ireland, terrorism had been depressingly familiar.

For Australians, the idea of groups pursuing political goals through blood and violence was a deeply disturbing and deeply foreign change to our way of life. Today, terrorism is sadly anything but foreign, though it remains disturbing to think that there are groups around the world who would love nothing better than to inflict another urban bombing on Sydney, only with many more casualties.

By definition, these terrorists, like the Hilton bombers, train and prepare in secret, wreaking their havoc when it is least expected. That means traditional military solutions are not the answer.

Instead, we rely on the painstaking work of counter-terrorism, with its specialist techniques such as phone and email tapping, surveillance, infiltration of suspect groups and the tracing of money trails.

Since 2001, investment by the Federal and State governments in counter-terrorism has more than doubled.

We have sacrificed a share of our civil liberties so police can thwart the sneaky, insidious methods of the terrorists. And, unlike 1978, we are all much more aware.

Thirty years down the track, it is clear the Hilton bombing wasn't just an historical one-off but a tragic entree to an age of terror that remains with us.

I commend the City of Sydney for restoring the memorial plaque in George St and giving it a prominent new home.

I just hope we won't need any more. One plaque, one Sydney bombing, is enough.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23206442-5007146,00.html


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Re: Rudd to say Sorry on February 12

HalcyonSky said:
this is insulting. I hope he makes it clear his appology is on behalf of himself and the government but not the australian people
too right too right., could not have put it better myself. im not sorry i didnt do anything wrong. i ACKNOWLEDGE that wrong deeds have taken place but i am not about to APOLOGISE. wtf?
 

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Re: Rudd to say Sorry on February 12

In my opinion those like mzduxx2006 are either racist or just to god damn stupid to understand.
 

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Re: Rudd to say Sorry on February 12

ConjOB said:
In my opinion those like mzduxx2006 are either racist or just to god damn stupid to understand.
ur opinion doesnt matter fuk face, neither does myn, thats why we are all here venting our opinions cause no one else gives a fuk. get used to reality idiot. :D
 

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Re: Rudd to say Sorry on February 12

ConjOB said:
In my opinion those like mzduxx2006 are either racist or just to god damn stupid to understand.
for heaven's sake. how hard is it to understand the following concept:

If you didn't do it, you don't have to apologise.

Why? Because apologising implies responsibility.

Are we responsible? NO.

Who is responsible? GENERATIONS OF WHITE AUSTRALIANS WHO WENT BEFORE US, WHOM WE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH, ON ACCOUNT OF POSSIBLY NOT EVEN BEING ALIVE BACK THEN.

So why should we say "sorry" like it was us who did these things? Oh, wait, we shouldn't.

mzduxx is right. We should acknowledge wrongs done in the past. We should acknowledge that awful things happened. We should acknowledge that it should not have happened. We might even go as far as to say we abhor these things and regret that they happened. But we should not feel obligated to offer an apology for something we didn't do.
 

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Re: Rudd to say Sorry on February 12

Schroedinger said:
I mean some Abo cunt bumped into me today and didn't say sorry why the fuck should I say sorry back.
ehh thats happened to me so many times. u learn to eventually ignore it. besides ever heard of the saying "dont touch what u cant afford"....shout it out next time u see them. no im sorry that was mean :( please ignore that previous statement.
 

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Leaders push for 'sorry' compensation

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/push-for-sorry-cash/2008/02/13/1202760380240.html

Leaders push for 'sorry' compensation

Aboriginal leader Patrick Dodson has urged the Federal Government to follow today's apology with compensation for the stolen generations.

Mr Dodson, the former chairman of the Council for Aboriginal Reconciliation, said anyone treated badly under the law deserved to pursue recompense.

He said the debate leading up to today's apology to indigenous people had not been edifying.
Of course we were silly enough to believe it's "not about money" :rolleyes:
 

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Re: Rudd to say Sorry on February 12

^CoSMic DoRiS^^ said:
If you didn't do it, you don't have to apologise.

Why? Because apologising implies responsibility.

Are we responsible? NO.

Who is responsible? GENERATIONS OF WHITE AUSTRALIANS WHO WENT BEFORE US, WHOM WE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH, ON ACCOUNT OF POSSIBLY NOT EVEN BEING ALIVE BACK THEN.
forgive me for using a religious example


But this is like us saying "jesus didn't die for our sins, he died for our ancestors sins. They crucified him, not us"

The thing is what it boils down to is the fact that the people who condoned/accepted these acts are still considered great australians (for other reasons). We consider their acts and deeds what makes these people great australians.

If we completely rejected the people who originally condoned these acts as "unaustralian" and rejected all "ownership" as a great leader per say then I would agree it wouldn't be our place to apologise

Its hypocritical on one hand to say that they did an attrocious thing and didn't apologis at the time, while honoring them as great Australians, all while refusing to apologise on their behalf... isn't that kind of a mixed signal?
 

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Re: Rudd to say Sorry on February 12

an apology comes across to me as a little pointless if the actual perpetrators aren't sorry enough for what they did to say it themselves. you can't really apologise on behalf of someone else, if that someone else isn't actually repentant. it becomes an empty gesture.
 

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Re: Rudd to say Sorry on February 12

^CoSMic DoRiS^^ said:
an apology comes across to me as a little pointless if the actual perpetrators aren't sorry enough for what they did to say it themselves. you can't really apologise on behalf of someone else, if that someone else isn't actually repentant. it becomes an empty gesture.
It's an empty gesture anyway, but it just makes it all the more ridiculous.
 

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Re: They're after our $$$ already!

*acts surprised*
 

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Re: They're after our $$$ already!

Tell 'em to fuck off and get stuffed.
 

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Re: Rudd to say Sorry on February 12

Why should be be bothered saving them if they don't make any attempts to save themselves?

'Aww no, I runs out of money fer petrol and grog! I know! I'm ask fer more compo from da gavurnment!'
'Bloody gavurnment wont give me compo!' *RAGE RAGE RAGE *BEATS WIFE AND KIDS *RAGE RAGE RAGE IT'S ALL THE GOVERNMENT'S FAULT *RAGE RAGE RAGE OOOH PETROL! *SNIFF SNIFF *DIES
 

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Did you support Rudd's apology?

It's over, but for kicks, were you for or against the government (or just Rudd, really) apologising about the "stolen generation"?

Poll anonymous.
 

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Re: They're after our $$$ already!

This is stupid.

No money should be put towards compensation. I rather liked the govt's idea of maybe trying to lower their infant mortality rate, increase their life expectancy and generally increase their quality of life. Money put towards these things would be much better spent.

Compensation just pays them to shut up, and we know that no matter how much we give them it'll never be enough.
 

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Re: They're after our $$$ already!

thats just punishing todays taxpayer wouldnt it? what have we got to do with the stolen generation. how pathetic.
 

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