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A certain member of this forum has posted about hte plight of Tamil refugees ad nauseum, quite literally declaring that a holocaust is being carried out against them.

I have, however, come across this fascinating little story.

Refugees go home for holidays


OTTAWA - A secret [Canadian] government survey reveals the majority of successful Tamil refugees travel back to Sri Lanka, raising questions about the legitimacy of their refugee status.

To become a refugee, a claimant must prove they are in danger of torture, there is a risk to their life or meet other criteria showing they will face persecution in their home country. Yet this did not stop over 70% of successful Tamil refugee claimants surveyed from returning to Sri Lanka for vacations, business or to sponsor family members
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This paints a slightly different picture to that presented by Mr. Sathius, to put it mildly.

Although it is from 2010, given that conditions have improved since then, this just strengthens the point i.e. there would, if anything, be even more heading back at the present.

Something to keep in mind.
 

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so you're saying that refugees who fled sri lanka during the civil war (could be one year before it ended, could be ten) and legitimately gained asylum in Canada have been able to temporarily return to Sri Lanka since the war ended?

this is an outrage
 

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sathius et al have quite literally said that there is an ongoing risk to tamils of genocide

which is so obviously the case that they're willing to go back to visit

clearly im not saying that those who fled during the war weren't genuine refugees, im saying that the justifications for continued tamil refugee immigration aren't valid
 

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i can definitely understand why Sathius might feel that returning to Sri Lanka himself may be unsafe
 
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OTTAWA - A secret [Canadian] government survey reveals the majority of successful Tamil refugees travel back to Sri Lanka, raising questions about the legitimacy of their refugee status.

To become a refugee, a claimant must prove they are in danger of torture, there is a risk to their life or meet other criteria showing they will face persecution in their home country. Yet this did not stop over 70% of successful Tamil refugee claimants surveyed from returning to Sri Lanka for vacations, business or to sponsor family members
.

This paints a slightly different picture to that presented by Mr. Sathius, to put it mildly.

Although it is from 2010, given that conditions have improved since then, this just strengthens the point i.e. there would, if anything, be even more heading back at the present.

Something to keep in mind.
conservative media outlet is conservative...

Annual Report: Sri Lanka 2013

Amnesty International

May 23, 2013

Unlawful detentions, torture and enforced disappearances remained rife and went unpunished. Government officials and supporters harassed and threatened human rights defenders, journalists and members of the judiciary who spoke out about abuses of power or advocated human rights accountability. More than three years after the armed conflict between the Sri Lankan government and the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) ended, impunity persisted for alleged war crimes and crimes against humanity. The government failed to implement recommendations aimed at accountability made by Sri Lanka's Lessons Learnt and Reconciliation Commission (LLRC) and the UN Human Rights Council. The authorities continued to rely on the Prevention of Terrorism Act to arrest and detain suspects for lengthy periods without charge or trial. Despite government claims, many people displaced by the armed conflict were not fully settled, including some whose land remained occupied by the Sri Lankan military.

Enforced disappearances

More than 20 alleged enforced disappearances were reported. Victims included political activists, business people and suspected criminals. Prominent cases from past years remained unresolved.
Armed men abducted Tamil businessman Ramasamy Prabaharan on 11 February, just two days before the Supreme Court was scheduled to hear his complaints against arbitrary arrest, detention and torture by police and seizure of his business in May 2009.
In April, Frontline Socialist Party activists Premakumar Gunaratnam and Dimuthu Attigala were abducted shortly before the launch of the new party; both were interrogated and eventually released. Premakumar Gunaratnam, an Australian citizen, said he was tortured by his abductors, who he believed were linked to the government.
Investigations failed to progress into the cases of political activists Lalith Kumar Weeraraj and Kugan Muruganathan – both allegedly victims of enforced disappearance by the army in Jaffna in December 2011. The two had been planning a peaceful protest by families of the disappeared. The Court of Appeal repeatedly postponed the habeas corpus case filed by relatives of the missing men.
In June, former Attorney General Mohan Peiris was ordered to appear at a habeas corpus hearing into the disappearance of political cartoonist Prageeth Eknaligoda after he told the UN Committee against Torture in 2011 that Eknaligoda was living in a foreign country. At the hearing, Mohan Peiris admitted that he did not know Prageeth Eknaligoda's whereabouts and claimed he could not remember who said he was in exile.

Arbitrary arrests and detentions

The authorities continued to arrest people without warrants and detain them for extended periods without charge or trial. As of October, the authorities acknowledged holding almost 500 alleged former LTTE members without charge for what they termed “rehabilitation”. Hundreds of other Tamil prisoners remained in administrative detention pending investigation into their suspected links with the LTTE; many had been detained for years. Surveillance and re-arrest of people released from rehabilitation continued.

Excessive use of force

In February Antony Warnakulasuriya was killed and three others were wounded when the Special Task Force (STF), a commando unit, fired live ammunition into a crowd of people from the fishing community who were protesting against fuel price increases outside the west coast town of Chilaw. Police reportedly blocked protesters from taking the injured to hospital by land, forcing them to go by boat.

Torture and other ill-treatment

Torture in police custody persisted. In at least five cases, victims died in custody after beatings or other ill-treatment by the police.

On 15 April, Chandrasiri Dassanayake, a witness in a human rights case filed with the Supreme Court against the Officer-in-Charge of Wadduwa Police Station, died in custody there. Police claimed they arrested him for cannabis possession and that he fell sick in his cell and was admitted to hospital. The victim's son reported seeing his father lying on the floor of the cell bleeding and said Chandrasiri Dassanayake told him he had been beaten by police. The death led to local protests and the Officer-in-Charge, a sergeant and two other police constables were transferred to other police stations, but no further action was taken.
Thirty Tamil prisoners were assaulted and two died of injuries inflicted by STF members who reportedly beat them in retaliation for a prison uprising in Vavuniya in June.
Twenty-seven inmates died in a clash between prisoners and STF members at Welikada prison on 9 November. Results of an official inquiry into allegations that some prisoners were extrajudicially executed were not made public.

Lack of accountability

The UN Human Rights Council adopted resolution 19/2 in March, calling on Sri Lanka to implement the LLRC's human rights recommendations and address accountability for alleged violations of international law. The government's Plan of Action on the LLRC recommendations, unveiled in July, failed to commit to new or independent investigations, and relied on the military and police – implicated in serious violations of human rights and humanitarian law – to police themselves. Sri Lanka's human rights record was assessed under the UN Universal Periodic Review in November; Sri Lanka maintained that it did not need independent investigations into alleged human rights violations and past crimes under international law despite concerns raised by UN members.
A report by the UN Secretary-General's Internal Review Panel on UN Action in Sri Lanka, released on 14 November, acknowledged the UN's failure to protect civilians during the country's armed conflict.

Human rights defenders

Government officials and state-owned media lashed out at human rights defenders who attended the UN Human Rights Council session in March, calling them traitors. The UN High Commissioner for Human Rights and the President of the Human Rights Council denounced Sri Lanka's threats and called for an investigation. On 23 March, Sri Lanka's Public Relations Minister threatened physical harm against journalists and human rights defenders, and claimed responsibility for a violent attack in 2010 on a journalist who then went into exile. The Health Minister accused the Catholic organization Caritas of conspiring to undermine the government.

Freedom of expression – journalists

Journalists continued to come under pressure for their reporting.
On 5 July, Secretary of Defence Gotabaya Rajapaksa threatened Sunday Leader journalist Frederica Jansz with death when she attempted to interview him about an alleged abuse of power. In September, the newspaper's new owner fired her and she left the country.
Journalist Shantha Wijesooriya of the news website Lanka X News told police that assailants he believed to be members of the security forces attempted to abduct him on 5 July. A week earlier police had raided the office where he worked.
In September, journalist Nirmala Kannangara and a photographer were surrounded and threatened by army personnel when they tried to report on the relocation of displaced people from Manik Farm.

Justice system

On 7 October, armed assailants assaulted Manjula Thilakaratne, a senior high court judge and Secretary to Sri Lanka's Judicial Services Commission (JSC), and attempted to drag him from his car. On 18 September, he had issued a statement on behalf of the JSC complaining of attempts to interfere with the independence of the judiciary and particularly with the JSC through threats and intimidation.
In December, Parliament initiated impeachment proceedings against Chief Justice Shirani Bandaranayake. The UN Special Rapporteur on the independence of judges and lawyers criticized the impeachment process as “extremely politicized,” and lacking due process and fair trial guarantees.

Internally displaced people

In late September, the authorities closed the vast Manik Farm displacement camp and announced that the last of more than 200,000 inhabitants had returned home. According to UNHCR, the UN refugee agency, tens of thousands of displaced people still could not go home or fully resettle elsewhere by the end of the year and depended on host families for shelter and assistance.
On 30 September, nearly 350 displaced people at Manik Farm boarded army buses expecting to return home to Keppapilavu village, but were relocated to a barren plot of land in Mullaitivu district because the army still occupied their land. Displaced people complained that the new camp had no infrastructure and inadequate drinking water. Other relocated villagers had similar experiences.
http://www.amnestyusa.org/research/reports/annual-report-sri-lanka-2013

yeah, its a shit load better than before... but its still a cesspit...
 

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yeah, such a cesspit that most of them are willing to go back

also nice ad hominem on my source when you're using fucking amnesty international
 

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yeah, such a cesspit that most of them are willing to go back

also nice ad hominem on my source when you're using fucking amnesty international
ermmm, no...

I just looked at the side panel of the more coverage section... Very balanced journalism right there...

 

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right, and people like you only care about unbalanced journalism when it disagrees with your views
 
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A certain member of this forum has posted about hte plight of Tamil refugees ad nauseum, quite literally declaring that a holocaust is being carried out against them.

I have, however, come across this fascinating little story.

Refugees go home for holidays


OTTAWA - A secret [Canadian] government survey reveals the majority of successful Tamil refugees travel back to Sri Lanka, raising questions about the legitimacy of their refugee status.

To become a refugee, a claimant must prove they are in danger of torture, there is a risk to their life or meet other criteria showing they will face persecution in their home country. Yet this did not stop over 70% of successful Tamil refugee claimants surveyed from returning to Sri Lanka for vacations, business or to sponsor family members
.

This paints a slightly different picture to that presented by Mr. Sathius, to put it mildly.

Although it is from 2010, given that conditions have improved since then, this just strengthens the point i.e. there would, if anything, be even more heading back at the present.

Something to keep in mind.
So if you are a refugee you are not allowed to see your family and loved ones again by visiting a dangerous country for just a few days?
 

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So if you are a refugee you are not allowed to see your family and loved ones again by visiting a dangerous country for just a few days?
When 70% of them do it, chances are that claims of "genocide" are almost certainly overblown.
 

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When 70% of them do it, chances are that claims of "genocide" are almost certainly overblown.
So there is a quota or limit to how many people can go visit loved ones and family for a few days before they can no longer be considered refugees? Only a certain number of people are allowed to visit loved ones for a few days?

Granted, from the admittedly little I know about the situation, I do agree that it is likely not as bad as when there was civil war, I just dont think refugees wanting to visit family for a few days is the best evidence of that
 

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No trheres not a limit, im saying that when most of them are willing to go back, chances are things arent that bad i.e. not a genocide, holocaust, or humanitarian emergency

people who jack off over refugees never shut up about how boat people are willing to risk drowning just to come to Australia because if they stay where they are they'll be killed and this is why we need to open the floodgates

that most of the tamils are willing to go anywhere near sri lanka kind of makes these claims sound retarded
 

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OP, please refrain from looking like a retard... you clearly have no idea whatsoever on what your talking about.
 
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OP, please refrain from looking like a retard... you clearly have no idea whatsoever on what your talking about.
that's rather constructive criticism...
 

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The Australian government has shut the door on Sri Lankan Tamils to come to Australia via the humanitarian (refugee) intake. This practice was started by Julia Gillard. I think this is a day of shame for Australian politics in general. The Australian government has branded Sri Lankan refugees as economic refugees and has eliminated safe passage of many Sri Lankan Tamils who have been displaced by war and famine. These people are not welcome into Australia says Julia Gillard.
 

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The Australian government has shut the door on Sri Lankan Tamils to come to Australia via the humanitarian (refugee) intake. This practice was started by Julia Gillard. I think this is a day of shame for Australian politics in general. The Australian government has branded Sri Lankan refugees as economic refugees and has eliminated safe passage of many Sri Lankan Tamils who have been displaced by war and famine. These people are not welcome into Australia says Julia Gillard.
I think we should decide who should come in or not. Or the tamils can gladly go to singapore or malaysia, their lives are not at risk there. Are human rights being violated? Sure. Were there warcrimes committed? allegedly. Was there a genocide? highly questionable when there's other shit going on in the world.
 

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