VSU Protest Today (2 Viewers)

[Not-That-Bright]

Because that removes the social/easeofuse element, where anyone in the society can go at lunchtime on whatever day they hold these things, pay $1-2 and get some entertainment while they eat.
*shrugs

ya, id just say go over some dudes house who lives near there and watch anime... but u kno

 

[katie_tully]

So what if they lose a few "services" through lack of funding. Let's do a show of hands for people who think half of the services listed by the union at USYD are worthwhile, and should remain reliable on contributions from other people.

 

[Xayma]

vsu isn't a viable entity
it's not anything but a complete dismantling of unions

even if 50% of people want the union, only a miniscule amount will actually pay for it (not because they don't REALLY want it, but because 50% of students paying can't support a union. how does a union exist with only partial coverage?)

So because some want it and it can't survive on it's own the remainder should be forced to join?

Well how about I start up a neat little club and you can join so I can get the benefits from it even if you dont want them.

Real unions seem to exist with only partial coverage

Oh isnt that nice, they perform random acts of kindness (most probably to the union board).

 

[withoutaface]

So because some want it and it can't survive on it's own the remainder should be forced to join?

Well how about I start up a neat little club and you can join so I can get the benefits from it even if you dont want them.

Real unions seem to exist with only partial coverage

Oh isnt that nice, they perform random acts of kindness (most probably to the union board).

I'm more concerned that they manage to list food 7 times:

Food
Catering Discounts
Catering Outlets
Condiments
Coffee Carts
Coffee Card
Member Discounts

 

[Korn]

I'm more concerned that they manage to list food 7 times:

Food
Catering Discounts
Catering Outlets
Condiments
Coffee Carts
Coffee Card
Member Discounts

Thats funny

 

[withoutaface]

To whoever posted up the USyd one above, you forgot all the stuff that their Sports organization does as well.

I can't believe people want their campuses to be devoid of university life.

At UTS, the vice chancellor and university staff encouraged students to attend the protest because at UTS it will mean that some services, especially university housing, may have to be cut back.

That's just what the union does, the sports organisation is a separate entity

 

[Riewe]

But wouldn't VSU prepare them for the real world? As in the real world, services are pay as you use. If i want a pizza, i pay the full price of the pizza at the pizza shop. If i want a shirt, i pay full price for it at the store.

I know the analogy may be not quite correct, but the moral of the story is that not everything is subsidised in the real world, and if you want services, be prepared to pay for them. If you don't want services, then don't pay and you don't get to use the service. SIMPLE.

Under USU, you don't want the service, but you have to pay for it. How is that reflective of the real society?

 

[Korn]

But wouldn't VSU prepare them for the real world? As in the real world, services are pay as you use. If i want a pizza, i pay the full price of the pizza at the pizza shop. If i want a shirt, i pay full price for it at the store.

I know the analogy may be not quite correct, but the moral of the story is that not everything is subsidised in the real world, and if you want services, be prepared to pay for them. If you don't want services, then don't pay and you don't get to use the service. SIMPLE.

Under USU, you don't want the service, but you have to pay for it. How is that reflective of the real society?

Wait here comes the tax analogy, its all they have

 

[Not-That-Bright]

yea but they want a communist society, they don't want to live in our evil capitalist world!

 

[withoutaface]

But wouldn't VSU prepare them for the real world? As in the real world, services are pay as you use. If i want a pizza, i pay the full price of the pizza at the pizza shop. If i want a shirt, i pay full price for it at the store.

I know the analogy may be not quite correct, but the moral of the story is that not everything is subsidised in the real world, and if you want services, be prepared to pay for them. If you don't want services, then don't pay and you don't get to use the service. SIMPLE.

Under USU, you don't want the service, but you have to pay for it. How is that reflective of the real society?

The argument is not so much the subsidies, but the socialisation factor, whereby you should enjoy your youth as much as you can, etc.

 

[Scanorama]

Stupid fucking government, if they wanna lower our fee, instead of cutting the union, reduce the fucking HECS, not increasing it every fucking years. Fucking liberal dumbshit.

 

[Riewe]

But the problem with the socialisation aspect is that you don't need the union to socialise. Getting together with your mates does not cost anything, so how can the union be essential for this? And tell me, who relies on their union for socialising? I don't and don't know anyone who does. If i want to party, there is no way i'll be going to any union-provided party/whateveryoucallit, as there are better alternatives outside uni.

I'm enjoying youth immensely, without the union mind you, and if you NEED the union to socialise, then there are some social problems i see there, so maybe they would need their 'special needs' services.

 

[Sarah]

But the problem with the socialisation aspect is that you don't need the union to socialise. Getting together with your mates does not cost anything, so how can the union be essential for this? And tell me, who relies on their union for socialising? I don't and don't know anyone who does. If i want to party, there is no way i'll be going to any union-provided party/whateveryoucallit, as there are better alternatives outside uni.

I'm enjoying youth immensely, without the union mind you, and if you NEED the union to socialise, then there are some social problems i see there, so maybe they would need their 'special needs' services.

Perhaps the socialisation aspect comes in with the clubs and societies that are funded. It's a great way to meet ppl, make friends etc.

The union also helps fund events that these clubs and societies hold and so assists in raising the profile of these clubs on campus. Increase in profile draws more students and adds to the socialisation aspect.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

don't you think alot of these clubs are kinda exclusive (tho try to appear inclusive) anyway?

 

[withoutaface]

I know I'd be willing to pay a rather large entry fee for any societies I'm in now, one of which had it's funding cut off because the union are overly uptight about political correctness, and apparently having a "most childish swimming costume" contest at a beach event is sexist

 

[Not-That-Bright]

pfft sexist...

 

[Korn]

I know I'd be willing to pay a rather large entry fee for any societies I'm in now, one of which had it's funding cut off because the union are overly uptight about political correctness, and apparently having a "most childish swimming costume" contest at a beach event is sexist

wtf, thats weird was it only for chicks or something

 

[townie]

some people in the VSU camp are so selfish, nuff said, every heard of something of contributing to society.

i'd like somebody in the VSU-camp to please, please explain to me WHY the tax analogy isnt valid, instead of just saying "u cant compare it to tax"

edit: why we have these arguments, i'll never know, nobody is going to change any1's mind.

i'm always going to support compulsury unionism (not just student unionism either, i think any1 employed should be a union member as well)

 

[Korn]

some people in the VSU camp are so selfish, nuff said, every heard of something of contributing to society.

i'd like somebody in the VSU-camp to please, please explain to me WHY the tax analogy isnt valid, instead of just saying "u cant compare it to tax"

I have explained it earlier on

 

[townie]

I have explained it earlier on

maybe i should clarify, i'd like some1 with intelligence to explain y the analogy isnt valid.

preferably withoutaface or Xayma