VSU Protest Today (2 Viewers)

[spin spin sugar]

your post truly speaks for itself, how ignorant can you be? you dont know what 80% of those things are, how can you judge their worthiness (or indeed profitability)

 

[townie]

And im the dumb fuck, what about those ppl whose parents earn more then the threshold but have higher mortgage or wont pay the fees & the student cant afford it and doesnt have an income

well they're finding a way to pay their fees now arent they dipshit.

i didnt say it was perfect, no system is.

and any1 who doesnt have parents supporting them and doesnt have a job, or at least looking for one, is gonna get a BIIIG shock in the real-world

 

[Rorix]

your post truly speaks for itself, how ignorant can you be? you dont know what 80% of those things are, how can you judge their worthiness (or indeed profitability)

As does yours.


As opposed to actually responding to anything I said, you grossly exaggerated the amount of times I said 'don't know what this is' from about 5% to 80%, and you'll notice that I refrained from judgement of any items where I didn't know what they were.

 

[iambored]

well they're finding a way to pay their fees now arent they dipshit.

i didnt say it was perfect, no system is.

and any1 who doesnt have parents supporting them and doesnt have a job, or at least looking for one, is gonna get a BIIIG shock in the real-world

it's too complicated, everyone should pay the same amount

 

[withoutaface]

This is from USYD union:
Academic Dress Hire - Has no potental to be profitable, most likely
The ACCESS Centre - Don't know what this is
Amenities - ...
Arcade Games - profitable
Art Gallery & Sculpture Terrace - not the most popular hang outs at uni, at least it decorates the wall between the lift and pool
Art, Photo and Literature Prizes - would go
Arts Festival - would most likely go unless people are willing to pay [not likely]
Audio Visual Facilities - afaik provided by university anyway
Australian Discussion Groups for International Students - never seen this to be too popular, all the international students i know well (6) like to practice their English with good English speakers
Badge Making - oh dear dont take the badge making
Band Comp - probably makes money through alcohol sales
Beachball - oh no we'll have to charge for a party which is overcrowded and ends up locking people out anyway
Beige Pages (clubs and societies list) - costs almost nothing to maintain if it has any use
Campus Stores - profitable
Catering Discounts - can be profitable
Catering Outlets - can be profitable
Childcare - will go, one of the things that people should actually be arguing against VSU but the average person doesnt care
Clubs & Societies - can easily be afforded under fixed income if the union cared about maintaining it, also the gap can be filled through increased sponsorship
Condiments - are you kidding me
Coffee Carts - again, can be profitable, havent seen these around uni anyway
Coffee Card - see above
Committees & other Advisory Structures - should be volunteer work anyway
Competitions - what exactly is in this? Is this like that 'drop in your coupon, 2 outta 40,000 people get their 600 back?' If so, yes, that will go
Concerts - already covered in other sections, can be charged thru admission/bands playing free for promotions/alcohol sales
CONTACT Information Desks and Referral Services - don't know what this involves
Convenor Positions - see above
The Cubby - are you kidding me this is the biggest no brainer profit item
Cultural Diversity Journal - don't know what this involves
Creative Grants - don't know what this involves but it sounds useless
Debates - debates do not cost money
Dedicated Spaces for students - the campus is a dedicated space for students
Disability Services - would have to be supplied by uni anyway under law afaik
Discount Tickets - this is the same shit mentioned elsewhere
DJ Comp - again, makes money through alcohol
Employment - this needs some free market forces anyway, dudes treat you like shit because their jobs are too secure
Environmental Expressions Competitions - see competitions
Environment Handbook - ???
Equipment Hire Scheme - hire=revenue
Faxing - Yeah, ill probably have to pay to fax...can't be a big union expense
Film Program - admission+food sales
Food - mentioned elsewhere, makes money
Free Lunchtime Gigs - food sales, promotional play
Free Film Program - see above
Free Publications - no-one would read these if they werent free
Giveaways - you have to be kidding me
Graduands’ Handbook - yeah ok
Graduation Services & Academic Dress - yup
Holme Building - makes money through rent, are you kidding me
Information Day Entertainment and Catering - sounds profitable
International Students Room - ALWAYS ALWAYS EMPTY LOLOLOL
International Recipe Competition - uh yes.
Justices of the Peace - dunno what this is
Leadership and Excellence Awards - haven't I seen this before?
Letterbox Hire - hire=revenue
Life Membership - wtf lolol
Locker Hire - hire=revenue
Lounges - costs little to nothing to maintain
Manning Bar - profitable
Manning Building - profitable
Member Card - hahaha
Member Discounts - hahaha
Microwaves - fair enough, those electricity bills are through the roof
Movie Money - OK
Noticeboards - uni students have no trouble vandalising footpaths anyway
Off-Campus Cultural Events - ????
O-Week - ok
Photocopying - ok (wheres the free photocopying anyway?)
Pool Tables - MAKES MONEY DUHHH
Prizes - ??
Queer Space/Resource Room - yup
Random acts of Kindness - uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Reading areas - wow sounds expensive to maintain.......library anyone?
Recreational Space - yeah its not like usyd doesn't have enough grass
Retail Services - makes money
Revues - volunteer work mainly
Room Hire - hire=revenue
School Tutoring Program - volunteer work
Sir Hermann Black Gallery & Sculpture Terrace - already mentioned
Skills and Leisure Courses - fair enough
Snowball - see beachball
Sound Space - dunno what this is
Student Diary - i have used 8 diaries, they should be charged for to stop such abuse (or cram them with ads, which they have a lot of random content anyway)
Student DJ Sessions - free
Student Editor Positions - free
Student Point Of Contact (SPOC) Program - dunno what this is
Support Services - already mentioned
Sydney Uni Live Entertainment and Catering - can be profitable
Table Tennis - no brainer profitable
Tangent - dunno waht this is
Tax Help - fair enough
Theatresports® - makes money through alcohol sales
The Bull - see publications
The Venue Collection - dunno what this is
Toilets - uh ok fair enough
Trivia Competition -
T-shirt Printing - the uni needs less FUCK OFF LIBERAL SCUM shirts anyway
UBS - Media School - dunno what this is
Union Recorder - dunno what this is
Volunteering Programs - volunteer...?
Volunteer of the Year Awards - something tells me volunteers don't do it for the money
Websites www.usydunion.com and www.manningbar.com - not very expensive
Wentworth Bar - profitable
Wentworth Building - profitable
Women’s Resource Room/Library - costs little to maintain and is sexist anyway
Women’s Words Competition - sounds sexist
Year 10 Mentoring Programme - uh ok never heard of this one

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ROFL .

 

[walrusbear]

If you think that sufficiently summarises the VSU position, you're not very informed.

it isn't, i'm just annoyed and trying to evoke response

well i was anyway

 

[spin spin sugar]

hiya walrussss

 

[llamalope]

i know aren't the arts totally useless?
fancy someone learning something that wasn't geared towards making money...
holy shit! hahaha what a waste of time.

DON'T ASSUME THE ARTS ARE USELESS. Without the arts, there is no culture in society. Not everything in this world is about making as much money as you can. Yes, most artists, dancers, musicians are poor, but who cares... they are doing what they love. A society's culture is what it will be remembered by.

 

[spin spin sugar]

As does yours.


As opposed to actually responding to anything I said, you grossly exaggerated the amount of times I said 'don't know what this is' from about 5% to 80%, and you'll notice that I refrained from judgement of any items where I didn't know what they were.

actually i didnt notice that, i wouldnt have thought saying "dont know what this is.. sounds sexist" is "refraining from judgement"

 

[walrusbear]

hiya walrussss

yo

someone else likes usu here

 

[walrusbear]

DON'T ASSUME THE ARTS ARE USELESS. Without the arts, there is no culture in society. Not everything in this world is about making as much money as you can. Yes, most artists, dancers, musicians are poor, but who cares... they are doing what they love. A society's culture is what it will be remembered by.

hey i was being facetious
i study arts - attempting to do honours in english

tell this to the neo-liberal morons flooding the thread

 

[llamalope]

sorry, but some people's attitudes to the arts really shit me beyond belief....

As does the liberal's attitudes to the arts as well.

 

[walrusbear]

sorry, but some people's attitudes to the arts really shit me beyond belief....

As does the liberal's attitudes to the arts as well.

that's what i was saying
the pro-VSU camp seem to have contempt for culture and welfare
focussing on the problems with USU money distribution their answer is to completely destroy it
(sorry NTB i totally don't buy that VSU actually works shit, if you had an iota of critical faculties when it came to government policy)
funny how most people here are completely cynical of collectivised union activites yet completely idealise the shitty government we have

 

[Scanorama]

Like I said, if the government claims it can save us couple of hundred dollars per year, then great, reduce HECS, instead of increasing it all the time.

 

[withoutaface]

If you're decreasing HECS you end up paying most of it back through tax anyway, because it's (generally) university graduates that are the high rollers that get taxed the most.

 

[Rorix]

actually i didnt notice that, i wouldnt have thought saying "dont know what this is.. sounds sexist" is "refraining from judgement"

wow, way to totally avoid the issue because your support of USU is not, it seems, based on any factual information at all

you've focused on a statement I said one which wasn't even about the central issue (which was what services are threatened by VSU)

with great respect, please contribute or stop replying to points I make.


edit: and the women's words competition is sexist, 'an annual competition aimed at encouraging women students' writing' source: USU, so I retract the "i don't know but sounds" from "i don't know but sounds sexist". My apologies. I should have known for sure it was sexist.

also see, e.g. tangent: 'It is a compilation of works submitted in the Women's Word Literary Competition and focuses on recognising women as writers. ' source USU

soundspace: 'Sound Space
Sound Space is an annual program aimed at encouraging women in the performing arts.' source: USU


wow, i must be really ignorant to have never heard of these services which I'm not able to use because I'm male but I still pay for

 

[Minai]

Like I said, if the government claims it can save us couple of hundred dollars per year, then great, reduce HECS, instead of increasing it all the time.

On that note, its funny how Unions aggresively campaigned against HECS increases, because it disadvantages people from poorer backgrounds. Well hey, the Union is now aggresively campaigning to maintain a compulsory upfront payment (on top of textbook and related expenses) at the start of every year which also disadvantages people from poorer backgrounds. What's the deal? At least with HECS its deferred until you start earning real money, but with the Union fee, bad luck, if you earn $0, you'll still be forced to fork over the fee upfront.

I know there are loan schemes and all that jazz, but its still fundementally hypocritical

 

[AsyLum]

A question on how these fees affect the main income of unis, that is international students.

 

[llamalope]

well you know what... the best way to settle this problem (as was put forward yesterday) once and for all....

Give us an on campus referendum. Then you'll know just how many students support vsu vs usu and everybody can get on with our lives

 

[Slidey]

Nah, that wouldn't work. USU would pay people to vote for them.