VSU Protest Today (1 Viewer)

[Generator]

Nah, that wouldn't work. USU would pay people to vote for them.

So says the high school student.

 

[katie_tully]

some people in the VSU camp are so selfish, nuff said, every heard of something of contributing to society.

i'd like somebody in the VSU-camp to please, please explain to me WHY the tax analogy isnt valid, instead of just saying "u cant compare it to tax"

edit: why we have these arguments, i'll never know, nobody is going to change any1's mind.

i'm always going to support compulsury unionism (not just student unionism either, i think any1 employed should be a union member as well)

I find it amazing the USU camp people have the audacity to call VSU camp peopole "selfish", for not wanting to shell out $600 a year to fund a range of services they don't use, or that are unncessary. You keep asking VSU people to come up with an argument that isn't selfish, and so far I havent seen one that is selfish. Meanwhile USU camp kids are -
"OMG, you're so selfish, you're going to deplete the student body of all these great services, even if you dont use them you SHOULD BE MADE TO FUND THEM"...

If that $600 a year, which is steep for some uni students, can be used somewhere else to benefit that particular individual, then why should they be expected to support something purely to keep other people happy?

If there's as much support for the union as you all claim, then they can pay for the services they use and everybody will be happy little vegemites.

 

[William_Lawry]

ooo crap, i missed the protest, i guess you now known what side of the fence im on.... VSU

 

[Generator]

I find it amazing the USU camp people have the audacity to call VSU camp peopole "selfish", for not wanting to shell out $600 a year to fund a range of services they don't use, or that are unncessary. You keep asking VSU people to come up with an argument that isn't selfish, and so far I havent seen one that is selfish. Meanwhile USU camp kids are -
"OMG, you're so selfish, you're going to deplete the student body of all these great services, even if you dont use them you SHOULD BE MADE TO FUND THEM"...

If that $600 a year, which is steep for some uni students, can be used somewhere else to benefit that particular individual, then why should they be expected to support something purely to keep other people happy?

If there's as much support for the union as you all claim, then they can pay for the services they use and everybody will be happy little vegemites.

katie, why is that a service must be used in order for it to be important? Are you against facilitating a constructive, open and lively campus (something that may be achieved under VSU, albeit in a more populist form) or the idea that a universal safety net in the form of academic, legal and financial aid should be exist for those in need and be supported by all?

 

[Korn]

katie, why is that a service must be used in order for it to be important? Are you against facilitating a constructive, open and lively campus (something that may be achieved under VSU, albeit in a more populist form) or the idea that a universal safety net in the form of academic, legal and financial aid should be exist for those in need and be supported by all?

There are very little crucial services that will be gotten rid of, in fact if everyone loves the services so much nothing will change as everyone will still pay. However as alot of ppl dont care about most of these services they wont pay. Additionally why should ppl have to pay for things they never use, just so the ppl who use them dont have to pay a little bit more for them. Is that selfish? I think not

 

[katie_tully]

katie, why is that a service must be used in order for it to be important? Are you against facilitating a constructive, open and lively campus (something that may be achieved under VSU, albeit in a more populist form) or the idea that a universal safety net in the form of academic, legal and financial aid should be exist for those in need and be supported by all?

Generator. Our argument is that why should all students be forced to pay quite a large sum of money, based on the principal that it is going to benefit the "university atmosphere". When you pay money for something, do you expect something back from it? Isn't that the idea of being a consumer? As we said, if there is as much support for the union as you all claim, you're not going to lose the important services. How is it being selfish to not want to pay for something we arent going to use? And if we are going to use it, I'm sure we'd all be happy to pay for the particular service we want.

a universal safety net in the form of academic, legal and financial aid should be exist for those in need and be supported by all

Good Generator. Then provide legal, financial and academic services and scrap the crap. That's half the reason people don't feel they should have to pay for student union, as you can start up a social slub for practically anything now, and it all gets funded by the students. Whoo hoo, value for money. I can't wait.

 

[Generator]

Generator. Our argument is that why should all students be forced to pay quite a large sum of money, based on the principal that it is going to benefit the "university atmosphere". When you pay money for something, do you expect something back from it? Isn't that the idea of being a consumer? As we said, if there is as much support for the union as you all claim, you're not going to lose the important services. How is it being selfish to not want to pay for something we arent going to use? And if we are going to use it, I'm sure we'd all be happy to pay for the particular service we want.

Good Generator. Then provide legal, financial and academic services and scrap the crap. That's half the reason people don't feel they should have to pay for student union, as you can start up a social slub for practically anything now, and it all gets funded by the students. Whoo hoo, value for money. I can't wait.

You didn't seem to address my point in something does not have to be used by the individual in order for it to be important and worthwhile. As for the student being a consumer in this sense, that is something that I do not agree with (and it's something that is entirely indicative of the increasingly neoliberal society within which we live).

 

[Korn]

You didn't seem to address my point in something does not have to be used by the individual in order for it to be important and worthwhile. As for the student being a consumer in this sense, that is something that I do not agree with (and it's something that is entirely indicative of the increasingly neoliberal society within which we live).

What system of economy and government do we live under? What do most of the industrialised countries live under? Which appears to be the most successful economic system?

 

[katie_tully]

You didn't seem to address my point in something does not have to be used by the individual in order for it to be important and worthwhile. As for the student being a consumer in this sense, that is something that I do not agree with (and it's something that is entirely indicative of the increasingly neoliberal society within which we live).

You have to understand Generator, that while you think paying for something we wont use that benefits others is worthwhile, others dont feel they should pay for something they don't use. Like we said, if you have as many supports as you all claim, the important services won't be damaged. Don't feel that other people should have to shell out purely to keep the rest of you happy. You saw the list of services USYD provides, don't say you agree with even half of them?

 

[Generator]

What system of economy and government do we live under? What do most of the industrialised countries live under? Which appears to be the most successful economic system?

Point being?

 

[katie_tully]

O-Week OH! 5 - Revel - March 2-5
Visit the Front Lawns of the University and see more than 170 Clubs and
Societies stalls, eat tasty BBQ food, see wondrous entertainment on the
Main Stage including 78 Saab, Parisian Jazz and Sarah Blasko or watch
The Incredibles at the Open Air O-Cinema. Manning Bar will also play
host to some great nights including a comedy night with Wil Anderson and
hypnotist Bill Wheeler, an evening with Joel Turner and the Modern Day
Poets and a night of rock with Machine Gun Fellatio, The Cops and The
Panics! This all precedes the revival of a black tie O-Week tradition,
the O-Ball on Saturday March 5.

Yaaaaaaaayyy!!! I'm glad your money is going to something sooo worthwhile.

FESTIVAL & RALLY TO CELEBRATE STUDENT LIFE
Come and enjoy a free lunch and bottle of water as you
Celebrate Student Life
with us on the Front Lawns.
12noon Thursday 28 April
University Front Lawns
Bands - Speakers - Comedy - Fun - Free Food
The Whitlams // Wil Anderson // Adam Spencer
The Chaser Boys // Derwent River Star
The Self Righteous Brothers (Feat. Jay & Lindsay from Frenzal Rhomb)

Post Rally Party
From 3pm, Manning Bar. Free Entry
DJs Ben Korbel and Declan Lee

OMG!!! A free bottle of water!!!!
-stares longingly at tap-

 

[AsyLum]

Again, id like to ask, how does this expressedly affect the main income of uni's, that is full-fee paying and international students? Do they pay the same fees or more?

We can all complain about having to pay $600 or so, but the fact is that means jack all in the day to day running of the uni and its services.

 

[Generator]

You have to understand Generator, that while you think paying for something we wont use that benefits others is worthwhile, others dont feel they should pay for something they don't use. Like we said, if you have as many supports as you all claim, the important services won't be damaged. Don't feel that other people should have to shell out purely to keep the rest of you happy. You saw the list of services USYD provides, don't say you agree with even half of them?

You have to understand, katie, that just because you may not use a particular service now or make use of a particular facility yourself that does not necessarily mean that it isn't important.

As for the USyd services, why should I take serious issue with any? University is meant to be an experience that is largely individualised yet contributive towards 'enlightening' the student body as whole, so why should I be able to just pick and choose what I deem as being worthwhile? What would that achieve, apart from a campus primarily concerned with meeting the populist needs of the student body rather than us all?

 

[Korn]

Point being?

My point is the answer is Democracy and Capitalism, so it appears that u want USU, (a compulsory thing which doesnt benefit the majority) and therefore has no correlation to the real world where ppl have to pay for what they want. When you go to a shop who pays for the product? You do dont you, or does everyone help subsidise the price? We live in a world of choice, if YOU want something YOU PAY for it. Yet it appears you and other supporters of USU, dont seem to like this, and my answer is if you have a problem, go live in a communist country or some other country you like better

 

[AsyLum]

Conception Day @ Macquarie Uni, Sydney 17/09/04)
Reported on Tuesday, Sep 21, 2004. 14:31 by Anita C



There’s a reason why students choose to go to Macquarie Uni… Actually, there’s a reason why students choose to go to uni at all… Alcohol. And the mass event that unites students (and people wishing they were students) for a day came around again last Friday. Hosted upon the foreshores of Macquarie ‘Lake’ (Swamp), it was Conception Day 2004. With a line up assuring to please even anyone that may turn on the radio, the crowd heard the sounds of rock, punk, hip hop, breaks, house and trance. Not bad for some fun in the sun.

I’m confident I wasn’t the only one that blew off their Friday afternoon classes as I and several other UTS students headed to Macquarie around midday to make the most of the beautiful sun for some tanning action that lasted through the afternoon. Hundreds of hardcore Conception fans had been there since 8am for their tequila shot, and I’m sure many of them had already passed out by midday when I arrived. Free entry for Mac students shortened the line, as we lined up to buy ours tickets. Many were already downing vodka concoctions in water bottles, it was the start of what was to be a heavy afternoon of drinking!

Everyone sat on the hill facing the two main stages, which featured different musical outfits doing there best to please the fans. However, it seemed the majority of people were more interested in locating the nearest Jim Beam tent or beer stand. To the sounds of rock and hip hop people milled around in the sun, sunbaked, danced, played musical cushions… and of course drank. If there was one day where the greatest number of alcoholic units consumed relative to the population occurred, I’d say Conception day is it.

It only took a short stumble to find the hip hop room located upstairs, which for some reason there was always a huge line to get into - there must have been another bar upstairs! The punk/alternative room within the atrium offered a cool shady alternative to the heat, however it didn’t seem to draw many punters except for a few fans and people busting to go to the loo….(Big ups to all the guys that ‘let’ all the chicks use the guys bathrooms as well).

As I sat on the hill enjoying a few beverages I scoured the crowds and strained my ears to find out where the breakbeat was coming from. Sure enough, a small white tent in the far corner pumped out familiar tunes such as Moguai’s ‘Get On’ and then trance anthems later on. I missed the house music, but was nevertheless impressed by all the classics that were played such as Delerium’s ‘Silence’, Underworld’s ‘Born Slippy’ and Paul Van Dyk’s ‘For An Angel’. Tunes I’ve not heard in a while, but they were welcomed by the enthusiastic punters dancing in the tent. ‘Zombie Nation’ ended my white tent experience, as you can just never stay in one place at Conception Day.

The afternoon welcomed a drop in temperature but it didn’t at all slow down the beverage consumption. The main stage kicked off with the likes of Bodyjar and 28 Days, the crowd enthusiastic and awake from their alcohol induced midday siestas. The beer goggles led the way to The Ranch as darkness fell upon us and Conception Day almost came to end. Nice work Macquarie Uni, a fun day. Now I promise I won’t drink again until Conception Day 2005.

http://www.inthemix.com.au/reviews/events/17633/

 

[Korn]

You have to understand, katie, that just because you may not use a particular service now or make use of a particular facility yourself that does not necessarily mean that it isn't important.

As for the USyd services, why should I take serious issue with any? University is meant to be an experience that is largely individualised yet contributive towards 'enlightening' the student body as whole, so why should I be able to just pick and choose what I deem as being worthwhile? What would that achieve, apart from a campus primarily concerned with meeting the populist needs of the student body rather than us all?

If it were made VSU and it ppl could pay for individual services then how will those that actually benefit alot of ppl disappear? If they are so worthwhile then they will continue to exist, and anyways the isnt much you can do VSU is going to come in anyways

 

[Generator]

My point is the answer is Democracy and Capitalism, so it appears that u want USU, (a compulsory thing which doesnt benefit the majority) and therefore has no correlation to the real world where ppl have to pay for what they want. When you go to a shop who pays for the product? You do dont you, or does everyone help subsidise the price? We live in a world of choice, if YOU want something YOU PAY for it. Yet it appears you and other supporters of USU, dont seem to like this, and my answer is if you have a problem, go live in a communist country or some other country you like better

Right.
1. I'm not a communist and I'm not in favour of a 'communist' Australia.
2. Your education and the university experience should not be consumerable items, no matter the contemporary politco-economic climate.
3. World of choice... Believe it or not, but it is far from being that simple.
4. I believe that USU does benefit the majority, and my actual position within this entire debate is that even though VSU will not be the end of the student organisations, USU is by far a better system for all, not just the silent majority.

 

[katie_tully]

You have to understand, katie, that just because you may not use a particular service now or make use of a particular facility yourself that does not necessarily mean that it isn't important.

As for the USyd services, why should I take issue with any? University is meant to be an experience that is largley individualised yet contributive towards 'enlightening' the student body as whole, so why should I be able to just pick and choose what I deem as being worthwhile? What would that achieve, apart from a campus primarily concerned with meeting the populist needs of the student body rather than us all?

Some are important. Some I won't use. Why should I pay for them purely because other people consider them worthwhile? Why can't you grasp that today people do not want to pay for something they dont use, or they personally cannot benefit. We see charity as being beneficial, we don't see the DJ Competition, or "The Cubby" as beneficial

What's wrong with meeting the populist needs? Doesn't that mean it's going to cater for the people who want the services, and will not cater for the people who don't? Sounds terrible. Oooh, you mean things like the "Dj Competition", and "The Cubby" and "Giveaways" will no cease to exist because they do not represent the "populist" needs? Oh no.

 

[katie_tully]

http://www.inthemix.com.au/reviews/events/17633/

USU funds that?

 

[Korn]

Right.
1. I'm not a communist and I'm not in favour of a 'communist' Australia.
2. Your education and the university experience should not be consumerable items, no matter the contemporary politco-economic climate.
3. World of choice... Believe it or not, but it is far from being that simple.
4. I believe that USU does benefit the majority, and my actual position within this entire debate is that even though VSU will not be the end of the student organisations, USU is by far a better system for all, not just the silent majority.

Yet you hate neo-liberalism and the freedom of VSU, you want a compulory fee USU. How is a system that doesnt benefit the majority better for all?