Who hates right-wing (religious) conservatives? (1 Viewer)

[loquasagacious]

The issue is that it is percieved that in this case Brian is attaining power over a large group (17,500 or so according to the hillsong site) who then vote as he sees fit giving him substantially more clout in an election than us who have one vote each.

Aside from but linked to that, is that Hillsong removes independance of thinking and decision making something which is inherantly evil. As it is an entirely different thing to be out-voted by an informed electorate who have weighed up the options than by a brain-washed one who have swallowed dogma and mantra.

In fact an informed electorate is the cornerstone of the democratic system without it we may be beset by demagogues and poor dicisions made.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Well technically John Howard has power over a large group, telling them to vote for him...
It could be said that newspaper columnists are doing the same...

 

[0Jade0]

Well technically John Howard has power over a large group, telling them to vote for him...
It could be said that newspaper columnists are doing the same...

Like Piers "Moron" Akerman?

 

[Not-That-Bright]

lol yes ok,
I'm not saying that it's right... i'm just saying that in general there are alot of people that have influence over who people vote for.
The best way to stop this imo is to get the public more into the voting process, understanding politics & what it means for them a bit more.
I think poltics isn't really taught enough in school for example.

 

[LadyBec]

to backtrack a little. I don't hate religious people, I think they tend to be misguided and I dissagree with them. I don't hate the conservatives either, i just think they're wrong too
It's when you get people that are intent on pushing their moral and religious values upon others that my hate comes out. I realise that many people vote based on religion etc. but I do that that govenments must realise that many people don't share those views, and that making laws based on a religious value is not the wisest thing to do.

 

[mr EaZy]

i never knew hillsong was conservative!

i dont like family first- with their extremist policies. so no i dont like right wingers

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Alot of our constitution, and the constitution of many countries some would argue is based upon christian morals...
However i feel the morals which are in our laws are actually more humanist.

Mr EaZy surely u don't think all of right wing politics is bad... IMO Labor AND Liberal are to the right, i wouldn't exactly call Labor even close to a communist party.

 

[danie]

labor is moderate left wing.

they were founded as a democratic socialist party, i'm pretty sure.

 

[LadyBec]

that didn't stop a certain stupid twat calling me a comunist did it? grrr
I agree that many countries constitutions are based on christain morals, although our's not so much as say America's... what i'm saying is that perhaps people need to realise that not everyone shares those morals.
And that attempting to push them on someone else, no matter who you are is just plain wrong.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

morals such as thou shalt not kill, morals such as that it's wrong to sleep with ur sister, morals such as it's wrong to rip off 1000's of investors?

We do force our morals onto others.

Labor isn't moderate left wing, Labor is left-moderate right wing where as Liberal is moderate-right Right wing..
Imo anyway from their policies, how they were founded.

 

[0Jade0]

I think the shalt not kill is a universal thing..... Same with the sleeping with your sister (well appart from Tassie)

 

[loquasagacious]

The differance lies in that newspaper columnists (even Peirs Moron Akerman and Andrew Bullshit Bolt) are trying to persuade with argument/debate (of a sort). Likewise John Howard and now Kim Beazely.

the key being persuade, not dictate.

This is why lieing is such a crime especially by the media and politicians.

As far as Constitutions go the US constitution was written by Liberal Humanists such as Jefferson who I paraphrase 'I find no good in christianity only evil, oppressing peoples etc etc'. I can dig out the quote if you are interested.

Though in a broad sense you can trace laws like "don't murder" to "thou shalt not Kill". However this is an illusory path as it does not prove that we inherited a christian merely that christianity (and indeed religion as a whole) were the first to codify common sense like not killing and stealing in law. However it must be remembered that this was done only because they happened to be there first. Eg had a group of atheists with no background but an aversion to God placed in a new otherwise empty envrionment it is reasonable to assume that they would invent laws prohibiting murder.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

I said that was the call of christians, however i feel that most laws around the world are humanist.. and it's probably the humanist laws that made their way into religion to begin with.

We basically agree with each other i think.

 

[LadyBec]

I didn't mean stuff like not killing etc. I was talking more those regarding same sex marriages etc. that are based more in religion

 

[0Jade0]

Akerman goes on a crusade to burn all with differing views at the stake...

 

[loquasagacious]

And if playground insults could burn then more than half the country would be at least charred. The Labour party and the greens would be well done. The liberals would be uncooked and raw.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Oh come on..
On this forum, i see tonnes of threads calling howard a murderer, in the voting poll before the election on this forum the greens had near half the votes that liberal had and labor was way out in front.

 

[loquasagacious]

Your point?

A higher than averaghe number of people at BoS - News will at some point be burnt at the stake by Piers?

 

[blackfriday]

you fellas going on about piers ackerman and andrew bolt, you obviously havent heard the sermons of BILL O'REILLY. now thats more right-wing religious conservative than serena williams is male. i think you bandwagon lefties are just angry because the right hold the power, but dont blame the Christians for them. these people are blaspheming in the name of God in order to gain power, the oldest trick in the book.

 

[ZabZu]

Labor isn't moderate left wing, Labor is left-moderate right wing where as Liberal is moderate-right Right wing..
Imo anyway from their policies, how they were founded.[/QUOTE

Left-moderate right wing? In a sense Labor does have policies based on left and right wing thinking, ive never heard of left-moderate right wing.

I reckon Labor is a moderate left-wing, centerish party. Your right about Liberal though.