Why is Corby guilty? (2 Viewers)

[_Benji_]

It is largely your own responsibility to take care of your own posessions.

EDIT: Fuck you ppl type too fast!

sure it is, but is it fair to be locked up for 20yrs if something happens out of your control (ie in the bag handling section?).

yes she should have put locks on etc. but its a pretty harsh punishment for not locking your bag.

 

[llamalope]

sure it is, but is it fair to be locked up for 20yrs if something happens out of your control (ie in the bag handling section?).

yes she should have put locks on etc. but its a pretty harsh punishment for not locking your bag.

yeh but how do we KNOW FOR SURE that it was the baggage handlers? we don't.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

How else are they going to prove that she smuggled the drugs?
If someone comes to bali, with drugs in their bag... and there has been a precident made that when that happens you can blame it on baggage handlers, then every time someone gets caught they'll say "ROFL it was teh bag handlers!!".

Is there some sort of police investigation into the baggage handlers? I believe there should be, and if from the investigation they derive proof that they put the drugs in her bags then she should be found innocent.

 

[_Benji_]

I'm sorry i forgot to quote, it was directed towards benji.

im not suggesting that the aussie judicial system is superior and the Indonesians should adopt it, im saying that by their own legal framework justice cannot be enforced due to the lack of training/skills. Its not a racial supremecy thing, its a developing country thing- that they are generally incapable of enforcing their own laws due to inexperience etc.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Yes but the fact is that they're not incredibly inexperienced or anything, the judges in this case have trialed many similar drug related cases, the defence lawyers were definately top notch (despite some of their short commings, such as forgetting to have a translater when she made her plea, which ment little to them anyway). Ron Bakir and the government gave substancial assistance/financial support.

 

[spell check]

How else are they going to prove that she smuggled the drugs?
If someone comes to bali, with drugs in their bag... and there has been a precident made that when that happens you can blame it on baggage handlers, then every time someone gets caught they'll say "ROFL it was teh bag handlers!!".

Is there some sort of police investigation into the baggage handlers? I believe there should be, and if from the investigation they derive proof that they put the drugs in her bags then she should be found innocent.

the court didn't accept evidence relating to baggage handlers in australia though

 

[_Benji_]

How else are they going to prove that she smuggled the drugs?
If someone comes to bali, with drugs in their bag... and there has been a precident made that when that happens you can blame it on baggage handlers, then every time someone gets caught they'll say "ROFL it was teh bag handlers!!".

Is there some sort of police investigation into the baggage handlers? I believe there should be, and if from the investigation they derive proof that they put the drugs in her bags then she should be found innocent.

Isn't there currently an investigation into a drug smuggling ring involving baggage handlers?

 

[theone123]

Johnny Howard respects the Indonsian Legal System why shouldn't we?

 

[Not-That-Bright]

the court didn't accept evidence relating to baggage handlers in australia though

Only because currently the evidence was very subjective, if they found some objective evidence, such as video proof or a confession, then it may have been admissable.

 

[Korn]

, the defence lawyers were definately top notch (despite some of their short commings, such as forgetting to have a translater when she made her plea, which ment little to them anyway). QUOTE]

Isnt it crucial to hear the plea??

 

[nickichicki01]

this is kinda off the point but if baggage handlers put it in her bag, how did they or whoever did, expect to get it back?

 

[spell check]

Yes but the fact is that they're not incredibly inexperienced or anything, the judges in this case have trialed many similar drug related cases, the defence lawyers were definately top notch (despite some of their short commings, such as forgetting to have a translater when she made her plea, which ment little to them anyway). Ron Bakir and the government gave substancial assistance/financial support.

yeah apparently the chief justice had sat on five hundred drug cases of this sort and acquitted NO ONE

that sure is experience

 

[spell check]

this is kinda off the point but if baggage handlers put it in her bag, how did they or whoever did, expect to get it back?

the same way they put them in, just take them out when they unload the plane at sydney

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Well they looked at the transcript of it, and it was explained why they didn't accept it in their verdict. Basically, since it was mainly just emotional garbage and had no solid evidence backing it, they cared little for it.

 

[santaslayer]

sure it is, but is it fair to be locked up for 20yrs if something happens out of your control (ie in the bag handling section?).

yes she should have put locks on etc. but its a pretty harsh punishment for not locking your bag.

I don't know. The issue is that one should look after their own posessions. I don't know about everyone else, but that was hammered into my brain since I was a kid. Esp in an airport situation. Not putting locks in bags is suicide.

 

[Korn]

I don't know. The issue is that one should look after their own posessions. I don't know about everyone else, but that was hammered into my brain since I was a kid. Esp in an airport situation. Not putting locks in bags is suicide.

Same, but ppl shouldnt be punished for stupidity

 

[white_spazzy]

oh for christ's sakes, stop reducing the argument to being about views of ethnocentrism.

spoken like a true society and culture student...

i think that without hearing the full case and having all the evidence sitting in front of you, you cannot really pass an informed judgement. All we can base our conclusions on is our feelings.

20 years is very harsh, does anyone think that she will be sent back to australia after the appeals process, if she does not get off that way?

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Same, but ppl shouldnt be punished for stupidity

People often are punished for stupidity tho =/

 

[go_swans]

I don't know. The issue is that one should look after their own posessions. I don't know about everyone else, but that was hammered into my brain since I was a kid. Esp in an airport situation. Not putting locks in bags is suicide.

these days theres no point locking your bags. if they wanna get into ur bag, they will. When i was leaving LA i had my bag locked, and the lady made me unlock it cuz they open ur bags anyway apparently

 

[santaslayer]

People often are punished for stupidity tho =/

Exactly. Many die from it as well. :uhhuh: