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Ha ha, no problem Kwayera - I expected a far more hostile response than that :)

Interesting idea but I think you may have misunderstood what it would mean to be in the absence of God. That is a world or life full of only what is not God. This means a world such as this would be void of everything that God regards as good. There would be no justice, no love, no peace, no...

Yay, the thread really is alive again! Kfunk I assume you are back from your trip down the coast now? I must say I was a bit stumped by you asking me what my thoughts on ethics are. My understanding was that in most cases our morals dictate our ethics and hence you would already know my views...

I was just listening to mention of this is a recorded lecture I was listening to today . I tend to agree that we need some sort of foundational unquestionable truths to properly interact and assert anything at all. The leap to God as a properly basic belief seems almost to be illogical - I feel...

Agreed, I would also like to know what's up with that. Seems a bit ridiculous to me too. I would think that it appears that way because it was written to an audience such a long time ago and has been translated to our own language. Just as a Japanese text from 2000 or more years ago would also...

That's really odd. I clicked on it the first time and it loaded perfectly, then when I tried the second time it didn't work at all. For those also having troubles here is the original url that it came from: www.asa3.org/aSA/PSCF/2003/PSCF12-03Fischer.pdf You can either click on that link...

Hey 3unitz, I think I found the original paper that some of these references are coming from. I haven't read it all - only the parts relevant to the flood. I've attached it for yourself and anyone else that would like to have a read. I think what they were getting at is the very definition...

Very good read indeed. It forced me to go on a little bit of a research hunt actually. I came across this. Hard website to read but the stuff I found in their was quite interesting. I'll place one of the quotes from this article in our thread as it is relevant for more than just the flood: To...

Yeah, very interesting. I read it through the first time and thought that it definitely affirmed your position. However, after looking at it again, it is constantly referring to Earth rather than world. Not sure if that is this translation but if that is the case in the original text then it...

That was a typo, my apologies. I have edited the original post now to avoid future confusion. Thanks :)

Simple answer is that I don't know. Essentially what you are asking me, is that if God knew we would turn away from him, why create us in the first place. I mean essentially if he knew we would turn away then he is the one condemning us to hell by creating us right? One explanation I have heard...

Oh my goodness, this thread has exploded with new people and opinions. I'm still working through replies from a few pages back so bear with me. Excellent explanation KFunk. I thank you. I suppose the problem arises when we hear people say that Ockham's Razor shows that something is not true -...

I think you may have mis-understood my point. The point was not that God wants to prevent people from helping those that are in suffering. It was saying that God may have allowed them to stay in suffering knowing that a greater good could be achieved by allowing someone else to help them (or any...

Like I said in my original quote, if God had not helped the person dying on the street then there must have been sufficient reason. To not not allow that sufficient reason carry through God would be denying that person the greater good. Although this is going to be different on who you talk to...

1. This question had me stumped for a while. The answer I came to is that I agree with the conclusion you have made - I cannot actually prove that he is perfectly good. However, this is separate from the question we are currently addressing. We know that we will never be able to prove such a...

Thinking back on what we've addressed, I don't know that I even raised that many points! I suppose definitely address the intuition that "I could have done otherwise", the ability to do irrational things and how free will does not fit in with current scientific findings. True, such a will in...

Sorry to cut out everything else you had said so far but I wanted to bring up Ockham's Razor as I have been giving it a bit of thought recently. My problem lies in that it seems to stop research into areas that aren't fully explored or explained. It does this on the basis that it assumes that...

Thanks for effort put in on your behalf :) You seem to be mentioning meme's as fact here. I was under the impression that this was still a reasonably debated topic. Essentially, is there any proof that memes are not simply another word for "idea" or "pattern of thought"? Indeed the ideas...

You know, I have to say that this whole discussion is very much a roller coaster ride for my beliefs and emotions. There is nothing which provides me with greater pain and joy than putting forward my views and watching them stand or crumble in front of others - especially in the environment of a...

Sounds like we're not all that different at all. Although I must admit that if it came down to a decision where evidence was split 50/50 I would choose the God option simply on the principle that it means life isn't complete crap, devoid of any purpose etc.