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This argument assumes that testosterone can only have morally "bad" results. Also, if you believe in evolution, can you truly state that testosterone is a random condition? (or was that separate to your mention of testosterone?) And yes I would stipulate that it is still free will. In fact...

No, I would not say I don't have doubts about many things in the bible. However I'm not willing to throw the whole thing away without researching each issue first. Your enthusiasm to show any possible problem in the bible speaks more to me that you have issue with what the bible as a whole is...

So we have two issues here. 1 What you do regard as a life and why? 2. How much right does another living human being have? (I would claim that it has equal rights with any other human being) I'll assume you mean objectively here rather than subjectively. What would you prefer a baby or child...

Thought I would quickly weigh in with some opinions we were discussing way back in this thread. (At least over a year ago). Firstly the pain argument doesn't have much ground for 2 reasons. If the only reason for not killing a living organism is that it feels pain, then: 1. We should not be...

Scope of mind, and writing capabilities are two very different things here that you seem to have joined. Of course they could not write outside of their writing abilities - this does not invalidate what they have written however. Your second point regarding scope of mind is debatable based on...

Ahh, I see. So then, point (1) holds in this argument regardless? I suppose in that sense then, that point (2) is merely given to try and explain (more for emotional reasons than intellectual) any possible reason for suffering. Does that make sense?

Hence why looking for a biblical answer like "Satan influences males more than females" does not hold in my opinion. Well if you're expecting the word testosterone to come up, there is an obvious reason why it would not (I shouldn't have to explain that). Also making this comment ignores many...

Okay, awesome. This is the reasoning I wanted before :) So, we've explained how rape could have come to exist via evolution. How about something that seems relatively neutral toward natural selection like pedophilia? But essentially you believe there is nothing innately wrong with rape at...

Well that is certainly a change in opinion for most watching this thread :) Ha, I wouldn't say I am having trouble with it. Not sure if you are being sarcastic in your second comment or complimenting me. I suppose "meh" if you are critising me for what you see as illogical arguments...

Ha ha, no idea really. I don't know that it is anything as sinister as "satan influences males more than females". I would think that the most logical explanation would simply be based on the conditions of our current society. ie - divorce rates affecting a fathers role with his son. A bit of...

Very true. However there is a reason I added point (2) rather than just leaving the whole discussion at point (1). That is that it addresses the assumptions that the person questioning has made. Namely the view that suffering is evil. At least under the Christian doctrine, this is not taught...

Yeah I am calling God perfectly good. I was waiting for the evil/suffering argument to come up. I must mention that I do find it interesting that when people are asked to provide their reasons against believing in God they state that there is too much suffering in the world for a good and loving...

Re: Rudd to say Sorry on February 12 While I myself am quite open to the idea of an apology from our government to the Stolen Generation (much in the same way customer service employees apologize on behalf of a company), I found this link quite interesting: 'Sorry' is not enough: Aboriginal...

I've given a response to that reply now - sorry it did not come sooner (I can only think and type so fast :P) The fact that you still know how to classify good and evil, while noting that they hold no relevance in relation to actual good and evil seems quite odd. Incoherent even. The reason I...

Ha ha, I'm not sure that it is valid in comparing a peacocks reasons for not having sex in relation to that of our own morals. Also, as an aside, wouldn't this type of behavior be seen as counter intuitive to evolution? ie - a peacock that finds all peacocks attractive is more likely to have sex...

Thought I would first highlight that I am still making my way through the article you had attached, hence me not quoting and talking about those particular area's regarding morality. Back to what I have quoted however, it would seem that our very definitions of "free" in regard to freewill...

In short, yes I agree with what you have said here. However, using words such as malevolent and cruel is misguiding because it is using what we already know as good and evil. Hence this becomes circular in logic. So yes, if God's character were different to what it is, then morality would also...

I think you may have misunderstood my post there 3unitz. I was not suggesting that morals do not exist without a God. I was stating that any morals that do exist (without a God) and are caused by our own evolutionary growth hold no real value at all. Value here being in relation to good and...

Ha ha, what a fantastic point! Let me point out that I did not want to suggest that we cannot use logic and reasoning in our discussions and debates here. I had simply not thought through the ramifications of what I was saying. So apologies on my behalf. Having said that I would maintain that...

Lol - as I am sure children are. The point is that despite what you believe about how morality has come to exist, you still maintain that there is something innately wrong about killing a child rather than a cow. If you believe there is something actually wrong about murdering a child, yet...