funnybunny said:so u'd accept a concept that is very communist-like?
what exactly makes them cowards?[/quoteWhy do you thing so.............!]
funnybunny said:so u'd accept a concept that is very communist-like?
what exactly makes them cowards?[/quoteWhy do you thing so.............!]
What? Australia has pride in a piece of fabric which can be likened to a pile of shit?burning aflag is really rediculus it is opposing the pride of the nation
The flag does represent something to a great many people, funnybunny, much like the way in which the koran and pictures (or lack thereof) of the Islamic prophet represent a great deal to a number of other people.funnybunny said:What? Australia has pride in a piece of fabric which can be likened to a pile of shit?
what? you have pride in yourself, and that can also be likened to a pile of shit.funnybunny said:What? Australia has pride in a piece of fabric which can be likened to a pile of shit?
What does the flag represent?ohdato said:Its not the fabric that matters its what the flag represents that matters the most.
This is what most of you cant understand you only look at it as if its something
bought from Spotlight at $3 a metre.
No they didn't.ohdato said:Young men fought for our freedom
No.ohdato said:, because of them we live free
I think everyone remembers WWI and WWII.ohdato said:and as happy as we do today. Its this that everyone forgets, they gave
their lives, yet majority of us don't give two flying shits what they did
and what for.
The flag doesn't represent the values we stand for. We, as a nation, do.ohdato said:It also represents the ideals we take pride in as Australian's. Regardless
of it having a Union Jack, its what we symbolise as being "Australian".
It represents the beliefs that we Australian's about a fair go for all.
There's nothing pathetic about Freedom of Speech. If you think otherwise, you're a cocksucker.ohdato said:Its pathetic for people carrying out the act of burning the flag to
hide behind the "freedom of speech" clause
It's just a means to create attention! WOW, I didn't think they did it to do that!ohdato said:, Its just a means to create
attention and have a way of getting out of it.
Bravo, make yourself look like even more of a dickhead.ohdato said:The best thing would be to make it illegal, just to shut up all the ignorant,
idealistic fuckers.
You talk about freedom, yet you want to restrict our freedom to burn the flag? Next time you post up a comment, like a few others, you should make sure your post makes sense rather than contradicts itself...idiotYoung men fought for our freedom, because of them we live free
and as happy as we do today.
then you go on to sayrepresents the beliefs that we Australian's about a fair go for all
Yes...a fair go for all, yet you want to shut up those who have different views from yours?....It is YOU who should have shut up..it is better to say nothing than say something and remove all doubt concerning your idiocy.just to shut up all the ignorant,
idealistic fuckers.
I said complexity of meaning, not the complexity of its physical composition. Please, stop trying to be clever.funnybunny said:With all due respect Generator, a pile of shit can be complex. I mean, you can't exactly tell what's in it without complex, and ardous lab tests. And yes, it has a long, liquidy history too.
But, in all seriousness, I was only using the analogy to a pile of shit, just to make a point. If i have offended you in some way, i am sorry.
That was only a joke, but if you want to take it further: a pile of shit can have a complex meaning to it. If it's found in some thought-to-be uninhabited place, then it certainly means that the place is not habited anymore. The possiblity to excrete shows that we do not absorb everything we eat. It is simple folly to think that such small things do not have any meaning in our lives.I said complexity of meaning, not the complexity of its physical composition.
The whole flag-burning thing (in general and "Proudly UnAustralian") is about causing offense - if the artist is too provocative, then any extra 'message' other than 'Look at me desecrate a flag!' is lost to the viewer, because the viewer is too PO'ed to want to think about any other 'message'.funnybunny said:Well..the whole issue of that artist shows that aussies are willing to defend freedom of expression when others are attacked, but when the attacks are directed at them, they simply cant hack it.
Ahh...well..i realised my folly after my first reply to your comment....But considering my talk about the pile of shit was simply me joking around, you shouldn't take this for real. I still believe (as many others would) that the analogy to a pile of shit is quite valid if you believe that the flag represents nothing and has no meaning. It is only people who think otherwise (i.e. you) that would claim my comment to be invalid.Ah, maybe your argument would make an ounce of sense if 'a pile of shit' actually stood for nothing as opposed to a somewhat disgusting object that should be avoided. That is why I consider your point as it's currently being presented to be invalid - the mere image of a pile of shit is far from being as meaningless as you now seem to suggest.
only makes it blatant that you simply dislike the comparison to a pile of shit, as it is simply "un-australian."Change the object of comparison and I doubt that anyone would have reason to complai
Of course not every analogy can be 100% true. In this case, my analogy was refering to the part about the aus flag standing for nothing (as i have said in my posts).stood for nothing as opposed to a somewhat disgusting object that should be avoided
I cannot recall saying that it was un-Australian, funnybunny.funnybunny said:Ahh...well..i realised my folly after my first reply to your comment....But considering my talk about the pile of shit was simply me joking around, you shouldn't take this for real. I still believe (as many others would) that the analogy to a pile of shit is quite valid if you believe that the flag represents nothing and has no meaning. It is only people who think otherwise (i.e. you) that would claim my comment to be invalid.
Your comment : only makes it blatant that you simply dislike the comparison to a pile of shit, as it is simply "un-australian."
Of course not every analogy can be 100% true. In this case, my analogy was refering to the part about the aus flag standing for nothing (as i have said in my posts).
I think you're quite right about the analogy to the pile of shit being a little too far-fetched. Therefore, i will continue with your suggestion that it can be likened to a piece of paper.Though I (and others) may not like it, feel free to liken the flag
Yes, personally, i wouldn't burn the australian flag, but i believe that you should not ban the right to burn it either. However, i also believe that it is not right for some australians to hide behind the values of the flag (such as freedom, etc) and pretend it is a true portrayal of australia. It is only the australian ppl's actions which define this country, not its flag.NO one should be burning flags
So then it would be completely OK to have sex with nine year old girls just because the prophet did so?? Did the prophet ever do a shit or masturbate like the rest of us? Maybe Muslims are so angry that they can't masturbate, maybe you should go out and buy yourself a 9" strap on or one of those french ticklers (on the off chance if they didnt remove your clitoris).Salima said:NO one should be burning flags, this infact if we're talking about un- :mad1: anything, it would be un-muslim...because hte prohpet (pbuh) would not have done this. Same about the guns being fired. The boycotting though has reason.
ihavenothing said:So then it would be completely OK to have sex with nine year old girls just because the prophet did so?? Did the prophet ever do a shit or masturbate like the rest of us? Maybe Muslims are so angry that they can't masturbate, maybe you should go out and buy yourself a 9" strap on or one of those french ticklers (on the off chance if they didnt remove your clitoris).
maybe i wasn't clear earlier. You all spend so much time here debating whether or not someone at odds with you on the topic at hand spelt a certain word correctly or refered to something in the correct way. JESUS guys!tWiStEdD said:Why burn the flag? because its controversial? because its cool?
This isn't even a worthwhile arguement. If you kids want to go burn your flags, go nuts. It'll mean nothing more than those make poverty history wristbands. Your $2 makes you feel all warm and fuzzy and like you've done something and then you go out and buy the new Simple Plan CD, James Blunt CD or just go nuts and maybe squeal with your mates about which boy/girl is most stylish or plain hawt and how you're going to get him/her.
The hypocracy in people really gets to me. If any of you really wanted to burn a flag you'd go out an do it. If you really disapproved but didnt want it criminalised you should be able to look down on those dancing around the flag doing some awesomely controversial testament to the i-hate-the-liberals groupies and let them go to sleep at night happy while you can go to sleep at night happy because you know you're better than that person.
Think about it.