The Brucemaster said:
Ok Serius there are just a few problems with what you're saying:
1) You ask how Muslims can accept both Shariah Law and the laws of Democracy. Well, how can Christians accept both Biblica Law and Democracy? How can Jews accept the Torah aswell as a Democratic Constitution? One word: Tolerance
They can't, they're religiously obliged to fight fo the institution of Sharia worldwide. There's no concept of tolerance, in the Western mutlicult sense, in the Muslim world.
The Brucemaster said:
Shariah Law is primarily a legal framework for Muslim nations based on the principles laid out in the Qu'ran. It's main concerns are with acceptable behaviour for Muslims (including not consuming alcohol, being charitable etc.) and religious laws (praying five times a day, making the pilgrimage to Mecca at least once in your lifetime etc.).
It is, on the whole, actually about the forced institution and practise of a 7th century Arabic culture whose veneration is an integral part of Islam.
The Brucemaster said:
The whole point of Shariah Law is that it be adopted by an Islamic nation. While of course most Muslims will abide by the behavioural (both social and religious) aspects of Shariah Law, those that immigrate to other countries obviously accept that the legal aspects (amputation for thieves, flogging of adulterers and so on) of Shariah Law can not be followed. If this were not the case then we would either
a) not have any Muslim immigrants or
b) we would have Muslim immigrants protesting against Australia's treatment of criminals.
Of course they don't accept that Shariah Law cannot be followed. It's neither a nor b, it's just
c) We just don't have enough Muslim immigrants for them to do anything, yet. Europe, however, does;
The Brucemaster said:
Since neither is the case i think its fair to say that Muslims are quite capable of immigrating to Australia without "blowing shit up" or "shitting all over freedom of speech."
So why in Europe do we have censorship of anything that might offend Muslims, honor killings, Sharia Law practised in Muslim ghettoes, riots and seething over the cartoons and the Pope, murder of anyone who criticises Islam in the media (unless they go into hiding), unbelievably high rates of rape by Muslim immigrants of non-hijab wearing women in Sweden, etc. ?
The Brucemaster said:
It is this fact that indeed negates most of your criticisms of Islam - that they "shit on" freedom of the press, speech, force women to wear the hijab etc.
What fact negates these?
The Brucemaster said:
Serius your argument stinks of racism and ignorance, the two being closely linked.
Which race exactly?
The Brucemaster said:
Muslim terrorists are a minority and indeed, regarded by most Muslims as not being Muslims at all, for they violate the Qu'ran's message of peace and love towards others.
All this nonsense about jihad is a misinterpretation of the Qu'ran - jihad refers to the defense of a Muslim city in the event of an attack by outside forces and violence is only ever to be used as a last resort to 'save the faith' it is this part that is often paraded by 'freedom fighters' as justification for terrorism.
Where do you get this stuff from, CAIR? Do you actually believe it when Muslims engage in Taqiyya and carry on about 'religion of peace' and all that? Well,
Qur’an 8:59 “The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them.”
Qur’an:8:12 “I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.”
Qur’an:8:57 “If you gain mastery over them in battle, inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them, so that they would learn a lesson and be warned.”
Ishaq:327 “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”
Qur’an:33:26 “Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before.”
Qur’an:3:150 “Soon We shall strike terror into the hearts of the Infidels, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be in the Fire!”
Qur’an:9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
Qur’an:9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”
Qur’an:8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”
Qur’an:9:123 “Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you.”
Qur’an:4:76 “Those who believe fight in the Cause of Allah.”
Qur’an:4:95 “Not equal are believers who sit home and receive no hurt and those who fight in Allah’s Cause with their wealth and lives. Allah has granted a grade higher to those who fight with their possessions and bodies to those who sit home. Those who fight He has distinguished with a special reward.”
Qur’an:2:216 “Jihad (holy fighting in Allah’s Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims), though you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and like a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not.” [Another translation reads:] “Warfare is ordained for you.”
Qur’an:33:22 “Among the Believers are men who have been true to their covenant with Allah and have gone out for Jihad (holy fighting). Some have completed their vow to extreme and have been martyred fighting and dying in His Cause, and some are waiting, prepared for death in battle.”]
Qur’an:47:4 “So, when you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah’s Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam.”
Qur’an:8:7 “Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ‘Wipe the infidels out to the last.’”
Qur’an:8:12 “Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: ‘I am with you. Give firmness to the Believers. I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.”
Qur’an:8:39 “So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam.”
Qur’an:8:59 “The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them. They are your enemy and Allah’s enemy.”
Qur’an:8:60 “Prepare against them whatever arms and cavalry you can muster that you may strike terror in the enemies of Allah, and others besides them not known to you. Whatever you spend in Allah’s Cause will be repaid in full, and no wrong will be done to you.”
That's just the Quran, the hadiths are much more bloody, but I won't post any of them because then I'd have to put up with everyone saying the "strong hadiths" are only the ones that they want to be valid.
The Brucemaster said:
Terrorism, however, is in way a defensive activity, thus cannot be realistically justified under the Qu'ran in the same way that the creation of the Earth 6,000 years ago can not realistically be justified by the Bible.
I hope this at least makes some people think....
It makes me think you're really ignorant of current affairs and believe the official RoP party line at all times no matter how much evidence exists to the contrary.
