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Aside from that, what good has Islam actually done for the world anyway? Christianity at least managed to spread education, medicine etc around the world. Jewish folk can be thanked for a dissproportionate amount of scientific/medicinal/technological advancement of recent history. I've yet to find much of anything useful developed/written/progressed by folk with the surname Mohammed (aside from fear, loathing and gross sexual inequality).
Islam = burden.
Actually, during the Dark Ages it was primarily from translations of Arabic texts that any learning was done in Christendom. These texts mostly came from the Moors in Spain, and included such things as texts on: alchemy, chemistry, mathematics, astronomy and history.
However, your orignial premise was flawed to begin with, because the discovery of previosuly unknown constellations by Arabs has about as much to do with Islam as the development of liberal democracy in the West does with Christianity. Just because these ideas develop surrounded by a certain religion, doesn't mean that it is because of said religion that they develop.
 
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MANAGED TO PROGRESS? THERE IS ESSENTIALLY NO CHRISTIANITY IN THE WESTERN WORLD. its just a bunch of fluff for people to leach onto their history. srsly, you and i both can acknowledge chrstainty vitually changees every decade to keep up with modern times.

oh, and im pretty sure that a religion which was a world supoerpower for well over 1000 years achieved something. srsly, it had to. it just had to. google it.
That is essentially a progression. Thanks to that crazed German monk named Luther, the Bible became accessible to the masses and a greater emphasis was placed upon the individual and their personal relationship with God. Whilst in the House of Islam the Q'uran is very easily accessible to the masses and most have it at least partly memorised, there does not exist such a personal relationship with their deity as in most of Christendom. This has caused Islam to currently be incompatable with liberal democracy, because most modern Muslims take the Q'uran to be completely infalliable, and hence incompatible because of the authoritarian warmongering which it holds within it's pages. This is contrasted to most Christians, because they have developped the ability to censor or ignore certain parts of the Bible, due to an emphasis upon the individual and their relationship, rather than upon the dogma.
 
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Well actually islamic extremists killed a bunch of the boys from my footy club when they blew up the Sari club. One of the boys still here is covered in permanent scarring all over his body. The others who survived get to live with the horror. Lost anything? yeah. Affecting? Yeah. fuck off idiot.


Aside from that, what good has Islam actually done for the world anyway? Christianity at least managed to spread education, medicine etc around the world. Jewish folk can be thanked for a dissproportionate amount of scientific/medicinal/technological advancement of recent history. I've yet to find much of anything useful developed/written/progressed by folk with the surname Mohammed (aside from fear, loathing and gross sexual inequality).
Islam = burden.
What science and technology are you on about that the so called Christians made, are you talking about fuking ipods and shit. You obviously know absolutely jack fuking shit about history, go read about medicine, mathematics and science in general and you will see that they date back before christianity. And dont give me the nonsense that only jews and christians are smart or try and say ohhh i never said that coz thats obviously what your getting at. Have a look at this smart fellow Alhazen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and NO his not Christian or from a western country and he looks like he did quite alot if you ask me. Go do your fukn research properly dip shit.
 

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Religion is the absolute bane of my existance..

But back on the topic of 'Fuck Off, We're Full', I think that anybody should be free to come into this country; provided that they all meet the obvious checks standards and requirments (i.e: no criminal history etc)

However, I do think that 'Multiculturalism' as a policy has failed. It promotes 'difference' by emphasising on the characteristics that make us all different, as opposed to the characteristics that bring us together as one community. We need a new policy of integreation, social cohesion, and one that promotes us all as one society. 'Multiculturalism' as a political policy tends to promote clusters of different ethnic groups.

I just want to make it clear that come one, come all! I think that the more the merrier, because as one of the geographically largest nations in the world, and yet with a population of only 20 million; we are hardly anything but "full". We should make people feel welcome to come live in this fantastic country

But I just think that if you make the pledge to live here, you must first and foremost identity yourself as 'Australian'. Yes, be proud of your herritage and background; but recognize that this nation has given us all amazing opportunities and that is what brings us all together. We are all equal and have been provided with the equal rights to freedom and responsibilities to act in a socially cohesive manner

Sub-cultures within a nation should be acknowleged and accepted, however the common culture should be promoted as inclusive to all citizens; rather than focusing purely on ethnic background or cultural background.

Unless you are Aboriginal, we are all the descendants of imigrants; every single one of us. That is what makes us who we are, we need to celebrate that in an inclusive manner; and expect that those who enter the country to do the same. Whether you come here from Lebanon, from China, or from the UK; either way you are an Australian in my book.
 

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PS: And if we are going to get rid of anybody from this country, it should be the countless bogans who insist on using every national holiday as an excuse for racially motivated violence.

Cancel their Centrelink payments, and make them get real jobs! They talk about how imigrants will come here, take their jobs (which they don't even have - why aren't they thankful that they are willing to work to pay the taxes which fund their centrelink existance?!); when really it is the bogans and white trash who are bringing this country down with them.
 

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PS: And if we are going to get rid of anybody from this country, it should be the countless bogans who insist on using every national holiday as an excuse for racially motivated violence.

Cancel their Centrelink payments, and make them get real jobs! They talk about how imigrants will come here, take their jobs (which they don't even have - why aren't they thankful that they are willing to work to pay the taxes which fund their centrelink existance?!); when really it is the bogans and white trash who are bringing this country down with them.
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Religion is the absolute bane of my existance..

But back on the topic of 'Fuck Off, We're Full', I think that anybody should be free to come into this country; provided that they all meet the obvious checks standards and requirments (i.e: no criminal history etc)

However, I do think that 'Multiculturalism' as a policy has failed. It promotes 'difference' by emphasising on the characteristics that make us all different, as opposed to the characteristics that bring us together as one community. We need a new policy of integreation, social cohesion, and one that promotes us all as one society. 'Multiculturalism' as a political policy tends to promote clusters of different ethnic groups.

I just want to make it clear that come one, come all! I think that the more the merrier, because as one of the geographically largest nations in the world, and yet with a population of only 20 million; we are hardly anything but "full". We should make people feel welcome to come live in this fantastic country

But I just think that if you make the pledge to live here, you must first and foremost identity yourself as 'Australian'. Yes, be proud of your herritage and background; but recognize that this nation has given us all amazing opportunities and that is what brings us all together. We are all equal and have been provided with the equal rights to freedom and responsibilities to act in a socially cohesive manner

Sub-cultures within a nation should be acknowleged and accepted, however the common culture should be promoted as inclusive to all citizens; rather than focusing purely on ethnic background or cultural background.

Unless you are Aboriginal, we are all the descendants of imigrants; every single one of us. That is what makes us who we are, we need to celebrate that in an inclusive manner; and expect that those who enter the country to do the same. Whether you come here from Lebanon, from China, or from the UK; either way you are an Australian in my book.
You evidently don't now much about Australian geography or environmental science. Over three-quarters of Australia is desert. Global food supplies are on a downhill slope. Climate change has ruined the agricultural industry. The coastal cities are beyond capacity. Australia's population growth rate is already greater than most Asian countries. And pollution levels are off the charts.
Most estimates place Australia's long-term sustainable population at about 10-15 million. We're somewhere between 33% and 100% over maximum capacity already.
 

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The Muslims are comming! /Rings Bell
 
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NEWSFLASH: ABOS IMMIGRATED HERE TOO.

fucking sick of this "if you aren't abo you arent aussi shit" abos walked here on a fucking land bridge. The dumb cunts couldnt even make boats.

If you arent abo, you arent scum.
 

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NEWSFLASH: ABOS IMMIGRATED HERE TOO.

fucking sick of this "if you aren't abo you arent aussi shit" abos walked here on a fucking land bridge. The dumb cunts couldnt even make boats.

If you arent abo, you arent scum.
"we grew here, you walked here over a land bridge from asia during an ice age that caused the sea levels to drop and never developed sufficient maritime technology to go elsewhere"

might be a bit long to chant at a race riot
 

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NEWSFLASH: ABOS IMMIGRATED HERE TOO.

fucking sick of this "if you aren't abo you arent aussi shit" abos walked here on a fucking land bridge. The dumb cunts couldnt even make boats.

If you arent abo, you arent scum.

How the fuck does boats have anything to do with their stupidity and walking along a landbridge. If you saw a bridge over a LARGE amount of water, would you take the bridge or try make you own canoe and paddle across.

Fuck man, think b4 you post stupid shit. The only thing i agree on in this post is the fact Abos "technically" migrated here, then again Africa is said to be the Starting point of homo sapiens.
 

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How the fuck does boats have anything to do with their stupidity and walking along a landbridge. If you saw a bridge over a LARGE amount of water, would you take the bridge or try make you own canoe and paddle across.

Fuck man, think b4 you post stupid shit. The only thing i agree on in this post is the fact Abos "technically" migrated here, then again Africa is said to be the Starting point of homo sapiens.
ROFLMAO. repped for being retarded!
 

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Well actually islamic extremists killed a bunch of the boys from my footy club when they blew up the Sari club. One of the boys still here is covered in permanent scarring all over his body. The others who survived get to live with the horror. Lost anything? yeah. Affecting? Yeah. fuck off idiot.


Aside from that, what good has Islam actually done for the world anyway? Christianity at least managed to spread education, medicine etc around the world. Jewish folk can be thanked for a dissproportionate amount of scientific/medicinal/technological advancement of recent history. I've yet to find much of anything useful developed/written/progressed by folk with the surname Mohammed (aside from fear, loathing and gross sexual inequality).
Islam = burden.
Seeing as how you are dumb enough to ask. Muslims were basically the pivotal point for modernisation. They were the first to create farming and agriculture thereby resulting in the development of settlements than cities and resulted in people having free time to create poetry, invent things, mathematics, engineering. This passed on to Europe which were hunter gathers. Now as for Inventions his basically 1 % of all things invented by muslims:

Some of the inventions that came from the Islamic Golden Age include the chess camera obscura, coffee, soap bar, shampoo, pure distillation, liquefaction, crystallization, purification, oxidisation, evaporation, filtration, distilled alcohol, uric acid, nitric acid, alembic, crankshaft, valve, reciprocating suction piston pump, mechanical clocks driven by water and weights, combination lock, quilting, pointed arch, scalpel, bone saw, forceps, surgical catgut, windmill, fountain pen, cryptanalysis, frequency analysis, three-course meal, stained glass and quartz glass, Persian carpet, celestial globe, [74]

A number of important educational and scientific institutions previously unknown in the ancient world have their origins in the medieval Islamic world, with the most notable examples being: the public hospital (which replaced healing temples and sleep temples)[14] and psychiatric hospital,[15] the public library and lending library, the academic degree-granting university, and the astronomical observatory as a research institute[14] (as opposed to a private observation post as was the case in ancient times).[16]

[edit] Industrial growth

Further information: Muslim Agricultural Revolution: Industrial growth and Inventions in the Muslim world
The Iranian born Jabir ibn Hayyan (Geber) introduced the experimental method to chemistry. He established the chemical industry and perfumery industry.


Muslim engineers in the Islamic world made a number of innovative industrial uses of hydropower, and early industrial uses of tidal power, wind power, steam power,[55] fossil fuels such as petroleum, and early large factory complexes (tiraz in Arabic).[56] The industrial uses of watermills in the Islamic world date back to the 7th century, while horizontal-wheeled and vertical-wheeled water mills were both in widespread use since at least the 9th century. A variety of industrial mills were being employed in the Islamic world, including early fulling mills, gristmills, hullers, paper mills, sawmills, shipmills, stamp mills, steel mills, sugar mills, tide mills and windmills. By the 11th century, every province throughout the Islamic world had these industrial mills in operation, from al-Andalus and North Africa to the Middle East and Central Asia.[57] Muslim engineers also invented crankshafts and water turbines, employed gears in mills and water-raising machines, and pioneered the use of dams as a source of water power, used to provide additional power to watermills and water-raising machines.[43] Such advances made it possible for many industrial tasks that were previously driven by manual labour in ancient times to be mechanized and driven by machinery instead in the medieval Islamic world. The transfer of these technologies to medieval Europe had an influence on the Industrial Revolution.[58]
A number of industries were generated due to the Muslim Agricultural Revolution, including early industries for agribusiness, astronomical instruments, ceramics, chemicals, distillation technologies, clocks, glass, mechanical hydropowered and wind powered machinery, matting, mosaics, pulp and paper, perfumery, petroleum, pharmaceuticals, rope-making, shipping, shipbuilding, silk, sugar, textiles, water, weapons, and the mining of minerals such as sulphur, ammonia, lead and iron. Early large factory complexes (tiraz) were built for many of these industries, and knowledge of these industries were later transmitted to medieval Europe, especially during the Latin translations of the 12th century, as well as before and after. For example, the first glass factories in Europe were founded in the 11th century by Egyptian craftsmen in Greece.[59] The agricultural and handicraft industries also experienced high levels of growth during this period.[37]

The traditional view of Islamic science was that it was chiefly a preserver and transmitter of ancient knowledge.[77] For example, Donald Lach argues that modern science originated in Europe as an amalgam of medieval technology and Greek learning.[78] These views have been disputed in recent times, with some scholars suggesting that Muslim scientists laid the foundations for modern science,[79][80][81][82][83] for their development of early scientific methods and an empirical, experimental and quantitative approach to scientific inquiry.[84] Some scholars have referred to this period as a "Muslim scientific revolution",[85][2][86][87] a term which expresses the view that Islam was the driving force behind the Muslim scientific achievements,[88] and should not to be confused with the early modern European Scientific Revolution leading to the rise of modern science.[89][90][91] Edward Grant argues that modern science was due to the cumulative efforts of the Hellenic, Islamic and Latin civilizations.[92]

[edit] Chemistry

Main article: Alchemy (Islam)
Geber (Jabir ibn Hayyan) is considered a pioneer of chemistry,[112][113] as he was responsible for introducing an early experimental scientific method within the field, as well as the alembic, still, retort,[74] and the chemical processes of pure distillation, filtration, sublimation,[114] liquefaction, crystallisation, purification, oxidisation and evaporation.[74]
The study of traditional alchemy and the theory of the transmutation of metals were first refuted by al-Kindi,[115] followed by Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī,[116] Avicenna,[117] and Ibn Khaldun. In his Doubts about Galen, al-Razi was the first to prove both Aristotle's theory of classical elements and Galen's theory of humorism false using an experimental method.[118] Nasīr al-Dīn al-Tūsī stated an early version of the law of conservation of mass, noting that a body of matter is able to change, but is not able to disappear.[119] Alexander von Humboldt and Will Durant consider medieval Muslim chemists to be founders of chemistry.[82][80]

Mathematics

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Among the achievements of Muslim mathematicians during this period include the development of algebra and algorithms by the Persian and Islamic mathematician Muhammad ibn Mūsā al-Khwārizmī,[120][121] the invention of spherical trigonometry,[122] the addition of the decimal point notation to the Arabic numerals, the discovery of all the trigonometric functions besides sine, al-Kindi's introduction of cryptanalysis and frequency analysis, al-Karaji's introduction of algebraic calculus and proof by mathematical induction, the development of analytic geometry and the earliest general formula for infinitesimal and integral calculus by Ibn al-Haytham, the beginning of algebraic geometry by Omar Khayyam, the first refutations of Euclidean geometry and the parallel postulate by Nasīr al-Dīn al-Tūsī, the first attempt at a non-Euclidean geometry by Sadr al-Din, the development of symbolic algebra by Abū al-Hasan ibn Alī al-Qalasādī,[123] and numerous other advances in algebra, arithmetic, calculus, cryptography, geometry, number theory and trigonometry.

An Arabic manuscript describing the eye, dating back to the 12th century



Medicine

Main article: Islamic medicine
Further information: Islamic psychology, Bimaristan, and Ophthalmology in medieval Islam Islamic medicine was a genre of medical writing that was influenced by several different medical systems. The works of ancient Greek and Roman physicians Hippocrates, Dioscorides, Soranus, Celsus and Galen had a lasting impact on Islamic medicine.[124][125][126]
Muslim physicians made many significant contributions to medicine, including anatomy, experimental medicine, ophthalmology, pathology, the pharmaceutical sciences, physiology, surgery, etc. They also set up some of the earliest dedicated hospitals,[127] including the first medical schools[128] and psychiatric hospitals.[129] Al-Kindi wrote the De Gradibus, in which he first demonstrated the application of quantification and mathematics to medicine and pharmacology, such as a mathematical scale to quantify the strength of drugs and the determination in advance of the most critical days of a patient's illness.[130] Al-Razi (Rhazes) discovered measles and smallpox, and in his Doubts about Galen, proved Galen's humorism false.[118]
Abu al-Qasim (Abulcasis) helped lay the foudations for modern surgery,[131] with his Kitab al-Tasrif, in which he invented numerous surgical instruments, including the first instruments unique to women,[132] as well as the surgical uses of catgut and forceps, the ligature, surgical needle, scalpel, curette, retractor, surgical spoon, sound, surgical hook, surgical rod, and specula,[133] and bone saw.[74] Ibn al-Haytham (Alhacen) made important advances in eye surgery, as he correctly explained the process of sight and visual perception for the first time in his Book of Optics.[132]

Avicenna helped lay the foundations for modern medicine,[134] with The Canon of Medicine, which was responsible for introducing systematic experimentation and quantification in physiology,[135] the discovery of contagious disease, introduction of quarantine to limit their spread, introduction of experimental medicine, evidence-based medicine, clinical trials,[136] randomized controlled trials,[137][138] efficacy tests,[139][140] and clinical pharmacology,[141] the first descriptions on bacteria and viral organisms,[142] distinction of mediastinitis from pleurisy, contagious nature of tuberculosis, distribution of diseases by water and soil, skin troubles, sexually transmitted diseases, perversions, nervous ailments,[127] use of ice to treat fevers, and separation of medicine from pharmacology.[132]
Ibn Zuhr (Avenzoar) was the earliest known experimental surgeon.[143] In the 12th century, he was responsible for introducing the experimental method into surgery, as he was the first to employ animal testing in order to experiment with surgical procedures before applying them to human patients.[144] He also performed the first dissections and postmortem autopsies on humans as well as animals.[145]
Ibn al-Nafis laid the foundations for circulatory physiology,[146] as he was the first to describe the pulmonary circulation[147] and coronary circulation,[148][149] which form the basis of the circulatory system, for which he is considered "the greatest physiologist of the Middle Ages."[150] He also described the earliest concept of metabolism,[151] and developed new systems of physiology and psychology to replace the Avicennian and Galenic systems, while discrediting many of their erroneous theories on humorism, pulsation,[152] bones, muscles, intestines, sensory organs, bilious canals, esophagus, stomach, etc.[153]
Ibn al-Lubudi rejected the theory of humorism, and discovered that the body and its preservation depend exclusively upon blood, women cannot produce sperm, the movement of arteries are not dependent upon the movement of the heart, the heart is the first organ to form in a fetus' body, and the bones forming the skull can grow into tumors.[154] Ibn Khatima and Ibn al-Khatib discovered that infectious diseases are caused by microorganisms which enter the human body.[155] Mansur ibn Ilyas drew comprehensive diagrams of the body's structural, nervous and circulatory systems.[4]

[edit] Physics

Main article: Islamic physics
The study of experimental physics began with Ibn al-Haytham,[156] a pioneer of modern optics, who introduced the experimental scientific method and used it to drastically transform the understanding of light and vision in his Book of Optics, which has been ranked alongside Isaac Newton's Philosophiae Naturalis Principia Mathematica as one of the most influential books in the history of physics,[157] for initiating a scientific revolution in optics[158] and visual perception.[159]
The experimental scientific method was soon introduced into mechanics by Biruni,[160] and early precursors to Newton's laws of motion were discovered by several Muslim scientists. The law of inertia, known as Newton's first law of motion, and the concept of momentum were discovered by Ibn al-Haytham (Alhacen)[161][162] and Avicenna.[163][164] The proportionality between force and acceleration, considered "the fundamental law of classical mechanics" and foreshadowing Newton's second law of motion, was discovered by Hibat Allah Abu'l-Barakat al-Baghdaadi,[165] while the concept of reaction, foreshadowing Newton's third law of motion, was discovered by Ibn Bajjah (Avempace).[166] Theories foreshadowing Newton's law of universal gravitation were developed by Ja'far Muhammad ibn Mūsā ibn Shākir,[167] Ibn al-Haytham,[168] and al-Khazini.[169] Galileo Galilei's mathematical treatment of acceleration and his concept of impetus[170] was enriched by the commentaries of Avicenna[163] and Ibn Bajjah to Aristotle's Physics as well as the Neoplatonist tradition of Alexandria, represented by John Philoponus.[171]

[edit] Other sciences

Main article: Islamic science
Further information: Islamic geography, Islamic psychology, Early Muslim sociology, and Historiography of early Islam Many other advances were made by Muslim scientists in biology (anatomy, botany, evolution, physiology and zoology), the earth sciences (anthropology, cartography, geodesy, geography and geology), psychology (experimental psychology, psychiatry, psychophysics and psychotherapy), and the social sciences (demography, economics, sociology, history and historiography).
Other famous Muslim scientists during the Islamic Golden Age include al-Farabi (a polymath), Biruni (a polymath who was one of the earliest anthropologists and a pioneer of geodesy),[172] Nasīr al-Dīn al-Tūsī (a polymath), and Ibn Khaldun (considered to be a pioneer of several social sciences[173] such as demography,[174] economics,[175] cultural history,[176] historiography[177] and sociology),[178] among others.

Other achievements
 
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