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What do you think of homosexuality in Australia?

  • Yes, i strongly support it.

    Votes: 674 48.5%
  • I somewhat support it.

    Votes: 201 14.5%
  • No opinion

    Votes: 182 13.1%
  • I do not support it.

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they are the same people in the end are they not? live and let live. they don't choose their sexuality and anyone that comes in here and has a go at them is completely ridiculous. just remember it could have been you.
I agree with you. 'They' are the same people, 'they' don't choose their sexuality, I'm not having a go at 'them' and it was me.
I'm not saying homosexuals shouldn't have right or whatever. I just think that if civil unions are going to give the same legal rights as marriage, which is how they've been described and what I understand them to be ( feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) I think it's all about the word. We're getting nowhere with the government saying ' we'll have civil unions' and then the homosexuals saying ' well we want marriage because you think we can't sustain a loving relationship like a hetero couple can.' It's about trying to respect everyones rights and I think some homosexuals who think that they're the victims and are always being persecuted need to get over themselves.
 

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I agree with you. 'They' are the same people, 'they' don't choose their sexuality, I'm not having a go at 'them' and it was me.
I'm not saying homosexuals shouldn't have right or whatever. I just think that if civil unions are going to give the same legal rights as marriage, which is how they've been described and what I understand them to be ( feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) I think it's all about the word. We're getting nowhere with the government saying ' we'll have civil unions' and then the homosexuals saying ' well we want marriage because you think we can't sustain a loving relationship like a hetero couple can.' It's about trying to respect everyones rights and I think some homosexuals who think that they're the victims and are always being persecuted need to get over themselves.
Uh huh.
 

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The puss is again awoken.

Dare I lift the scab once more,
Once more into the breech dear friends!??
 

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As a Christian i fundermently find it a problem yet i respect the decision of anyone who is homosexual. one of my mates is gay, still talk to him, good friends and have no worries talking to him, in someways, they are more sensitive and less likely to ridicule you, i still believe they are going against god however.
 

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As a Christian i fundermently find it a problem yet i respect the decision of anyone who is homosexual. one of my mates is gay, still talk to him, good friends and have no worries talking to him, in someways, they are more sensitive and less likely to ridicule you, i still believe they are going against god however.
Reasonable statements.
Fair words.

I commend
 

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I agree with you. 'They' are the same people, 'they' don't choose their sexuality, I'm not having a go at 'them' and it was me.
I'm not saying homosexuals shouldn't have right or whatever. I just think that if civil unions are going to give the same legal rights as marriage, which is how they've been described and what I understand them to be ( feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) I think it's all about the word. We're getting nowhere with the government saying ' we'll have civil unions' and then the homosexuals saying ' well we want marriage because you think we can't sustain a loving relationship like a hetero couple can.' It's about trying to respect everyones rights and I think some homosexuals who think that they're the victims and are always being persecuted need to get over themselves.
lol

Cease.

Firstly, if it's so foolish to fuss over a word then why is the Church fighting over it? Honestly, the argument that queers shouldn't be so fussy over a word goes both ways, especially when the Church has no actual reason to be involved in the legislative discussion, at all. We are not a Christian nation, marriage is not a Christian institution and legislating same sex marriage will have no impact on Church policy.

Secondly, separate is not equal. 'Colored fountains' taught us this.

Thirdly, it's expedient. In order to make civil unions truly equal to marriage, and its not truly so anywhere in the world, you would have to change each individual right, one by one. On the other hand, if you change the definition of marriage then it's all addressed, at once. It seems to be really pointless to go for a civil union and make more work.
 

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Honestly, I think that Australia is doing much better than the US in terms of tolerance and acceptance. Churches in the US are more vocal than over here.
While our law is separate from the church, you would find that a lot of legal principles have biblical roots. Furthermore, our judiciary is dominated by christian judges (2008 survey, about 58% of judges are identified as christians: catholics, anglicans, and other Christians). This is unfortunate because there should be more diversity in the judiciary.

I would suggest that our law is (whether we like it or not) influenced by the Christian faith even though church and the law should be separate.

I will attempt to compare the views of fellow Christians, non christians and gay/lesbians in regards to homosexuality.

The Christian view:
1. Homosexuality is not natural, and that homosexuals choose their lifestyle. The bible condemns it.
2. I have gay friends, and I love them but I have to disagree with their lifestyle.

The Non Christian View:

1. I'm for it. They deserve to be treated equally with respect. They don't choose to be gay/lesbian.
2. I don't care as long as they don't bother me
3. I hate homosexuals. they disgust me.

The Gay lebsian view:
1. I don't choose to be attracted to men/women. How is it possible for someone to choose their attraction. You simply are attracted to certain people because your body responds that way.
2. I just want to be treated equally and with respect. Why must the church persecute me and call me an abomination when I have no choice over it?

New category: The gay lesbian christian view:
1. I'm a christian but I am still attracted to the same sex even though I have prayed to God to get rid of my homosexuality. So I am suppressing it and be hopeful and continue to pray until its gone.
2. I've chosen to live a celibate life because it is the only way I can live to honor God. I cannot get married to the opposite sex because it would be a lie to them.
3. I've chosen to get married to the opposite sex after being counselled by my pastor or priest. I am working hard to maintain this marriage. My same sex attraction is still there, and I am working hard to ignore it.
4. I'm proudly gay and christian because i know that god created me this way. People are misinformed about what the bible says about homosexuality. They jump to conclusions by reading the scriptures at a surface level.
5. I'm leaving the church because my pastor do not accept or understands me.

These are the views I've got by listening to many various people. Often, many christians don't understand gay/lesbians. Many of them are not aware that there are some church members in their church who are gay/lesbian and are suppressing their attraction. I've attended one of these churches where being gay and christian isnt even something remotely possible in their minds.
I might continue later. got to go for now.
 

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Reasonable statements.
Fair words.

I commend
Oh come on! Lack of capitals? Fundermental? More commas than Ulysses? If I wrote such a thing you'd refuse to respond unless in the form of a Gilbert and Sullivan quote.
 

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Oh come on! Lack of capitals? Fundermental? More commas than Ulysses? If I wrote such a thing you'd refuse to respond unless in the form of a Gilbert and Sullivan quote.
you are looking at the punctuation and spelling too much, what he said was good.
 

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Honestly, I think that Australia is doing much better than the US in terms of tolerance and acceptance. Churches in the US are more vocal than over here.
While our law is separate from the church, you would find that a lot of legal principles have biblical roots. Furthermore, our judiciary is dominated by christian judges (2008 survey, about 58% of judges are identified as christians: catholics, anglicans, and other Christians). This is unfortunate because there should be more diversity in the judiciary.

I would suggest that our law is (whether we like it or not) influenced by the Christian faith even though church and the law should be separate.

I will attempt to compare the views of fellow Christians, non christians and gay/lesbians in regards to homosexuality.

The Christian view:
1. Homosexuality is not natural, and that homosexuals choose their lifestyle. The bible condemns it.
2. I have gay friends, and I love them but I have to disagree with their lifestyle.

The Non Christian View:

1. I'm for it. They deserve to be treated equally with respect. They don't choose to be gay/lesbian.
2. I don't care as long as they don't bother me
3. I hate homosexuals. they disgust me.

The Gay lebsian view:
1. I don't choose to be attracted to men/women. How is it possible for someone to choose their attraction. You simply are attracted to certain people because your body responds that way.
2. I just want to be treated equally and with respect. Why must the church persecute me and call me an abomination when I have no choice over it?

New category: The gay lesbian christian view:
1. I'm a christian but I am still attracted to the same sex even though I have prayed to God to get rid of my homosexuality. So I am suppressing it and be hopeful and continue to pray until its gone.
2. I've chosen to live a celibate life because it is the only way I can live to honor God. I cannot get married to the opposite sex because it would be a lie to them.
3. I've chosen to get married to the opposite sex after being counselled by my pastor or priest. I am working hard to maintain this marriage. My same sex attraction is still there, and I am working hard to ignore it.
4. I'm proudly gay and christian because i know that god created me this way. People are misinformed about what the bible says about homosexuality. They jump to conclusions by reading the scriptures at a surface level.
5. I'm leaving the church because my pastor do not accept or understands me.

These are the views I've got by listening to many various people. Often, many christians don't understand gay/lesbians. Many of them are not aware that there are some church members in their church who are gay/lesbian and are suppressing their attraction. I've attended one of these churches where being gay and christian isnt even something remotely possible in their minds.
I might continue later. got to go for now.

Over 60% of the population is Christian. The judicial figure speaks well of our democracy.

The point on Christian morals is bizarre. Our Truths are timeless and universal; no good legal system could escape them if they tried. Indeed, efforts to dismantle our rationales in law have resulted in messes of biblical proportions (if you dont believe me, take a quick look at family law some time)

Separation of Church and State is an admirable doctrine and once worthy of wide-spread support. But the Church never agreed to give up control over the private sphere - it is the government, through the agency of atheistic commies, who have breached this sacred contract and attempted to displace God with the State. People like you who try to evoke the doctrine by way of saying that the Church has no public role at all are ridiculous
 
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lol atheistic commies. that made me lol

but but, isnt Krudd and true Christian?
 
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Honestly, I think that Australia is doing much better than the US in terms of tolerance and acceptance. Churches in the US are more vocal than over here.
While our law is separate from the church, you would find that a lot of legal principles have biblical roots. Furthermore, our judiciary is dominated by christian judges (2008 survey, about 58% of judges are identified as christians: catholics, anglicans, and other Christians). This is unfortunate because there should be more diversity in the judiciary.

I would suggest that our law is (whether we like it or not) influenced by the Christian faith even though church and the law should be separate.

I will attempt to compare the views of fellow Christians, non christians and gay/lesbians in regards to homosexuality.

The Christian view:
1. Homosexuality is not natural, and that homosexuals choose their lifestyle. The bible condemns it.
2. I have gay friends, and I love them but I have to disagree with their lifestyle.

The Non Christian View:

1. I'm for it. They deserve to be treated equally with respect. They don't choose to be gay/lesbian.
2. I don't care as long as they don't bother me
3. I hate homosexuals. they disgust me.

The Gay lebsian view:
1. I don't choose to be attracted to men/women. How is it possible for someone to choose their attraction. You simply are attracted to certain people because your body responds that way.
2. I just want to be treated equally and with respect. Why must the church persecute me and call me an abomination when I have no choice over it?

New category: The gay lesbian christian view:
1. I'm a christian but I am still attracted to the same sex even though I have prayed to God to get rid of my homosexuality. So I am suppressing it and be hopeful and continue to pray until its gone.
2. I've chosen to live a celibate life because it is the only way I can live to honor God. I cannot get married to the opposite sex because it would be a lie to them.
3. I've chosen to get married to the opposite sex after being counselled by my pastor or priest. I am working hard to maintain this marriage. My same sex attraction is still there, and I am working hard to ignore it.
4. I'm proudly gay and christian because i know that god created me this way. People are misinformed about what the bible says about homosexuality. They jump to conclusions by reading the scriptures at a surface level.
5. I'm leaving the church because my pastor do not accept or understands me.

These are the views I've got by listening to many various people. Often, many christians don't understand gay/lesbians. Many of them are not aware that there are some church members in their church who are gay/lesbian and are suppressing their attraction. I've attended one of these churches where being gay and christian isnt even something remotely possible in their minds.
I might continue later. got to go for now.
Personally, I hate the word tolerance. At the heart of tolerance is disgust. i.e I will deal with you even though, deep down, you disgust me. So I'm not really that impressed with the legislature and populace for making great strides of tolerating us more than the US, especially when Canada, New Zealand, the UK, South Africa, the Netherlands, Iceland, France and Spain are all leaps and bounds ahead of us.

It is correct to note that our laws are influenced by the religious institution however I think the Christian identification thing is a bit out of whack. The wonder of identity politics is that you can identify with something without taking upon certain traits so just because someone puts 'Christian' on the census does not mean they practice nor do they ascribe to all of or even some of the Church's ideologies as a result of their faith. The Christian/non-Christian divide is also false, there are many other non-Christian institutions and identities which are as important to the culture of this country's residents as any other. It also tends to create a Christian vs. Queer false binary sum equation.

Also, you haven't totally encapsulated the queer view.

One significant viewpoint is that we shouldn't get the same rights as straight people, that not only is that just a form of neo-liberalism to compare the the penis sizes of what rights we each have but also that marriage is a hetero-normative patriarchal institution that's been used to beat people into traditionally sexed and gendered boxes for far too long. We shouldn't be wearing those white dresses and black tuxedoes because we've fought hard enough that we don't have to. It's very much a socialist/anarchist view springing from the queer movement of the 70s; love who we want, love when we want, love where we want and love what we want which was pushing to show that it doesn't matter if we don't live that way.


I don't think I completely prescribe to that view, I am one of those neo-liberals, I suppose, in that I do want us to have every single right as equal as can be to yours. I doubt I would ever get married, myself, and would push more for dissolution of the marriage institution as a legal one but *shrug* I'm also one of the people who hate that whether someone is born queer comes into it at all. We don't need an excuse to be who we are.

There are also the non-Christian self haters who live with every bit of the shame, if not more, that the Christian 'ex'-gays do. Plenty of Brahman, Muslim, Atheist etc. queers try to change, challenge or repress who they are. So it's not just Christian queers versus non-Christian queers.

I'd also like to note that we're more than gays and lesbians; there are bisexuals, transgendered, intersexed and on and on and so forth. There's also other people who identify as straight but also kind of fit into this group.
 

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Over 60% of the population is Christian. The judicial figure speaks well of our democracy.

The point on Christian morals is bizarre. Our Truths are timeless and universal; no good legal system could escape them if they tried. Indeed, efforts to dismantle our rationales in law have resulted in messes of biblical proportions (if you dont believe me, take a quick look at family law some time)

Separation of Church and State is an admirable doctrine and once worthy of wide-spread support. But the Church never agreed to give up control over the private sphere - it is the government, through the agency of atheistic commies, who have breached this sacred contract and attempted to displace God with the State. People like you who try to evoke the doctrine by way of saying that the Church has no public role at all are ridiculous

Well definitely christian morals have their merit, but the christian interpretation of the bible is not perfect. You said that efforts to dismantle rationales in law have resulted in messes of biblical proportions. Well, in that case the law shouldn't have changed in regards to women, where women shouldn't have leadership roles and authority and they should be property of their husbands. The law shouldn't have changed in regards to slave. We should be able to practice slave trading like in the old days. After all, slaves must serve their masters whole heartily.
We have abandoned those rationales because of false interpretation of the bible. The law have changed in that regard. Even other non-catholic christian denominations have embraced women to leadership roles in the church except catholics.
Christian morals have always changed from time to time. It was acceptable in the past to punish the accused by submitting him to trials by battle, boiling water, to see whether the accused would survive the ordeal. and if he did, it meant god showed favor on him.
It can argubly be said that these are false christian morals, but things were different at that time and why are they so? I certainly agree with the Christian perspectives in alot of issues in our current generation. However, human intepretation of the bible is flawed and it took ages before we realised the past flaws. How can it be said that there is no current intepretation flaws of the bible?


I'm not in a position in condemning Christianity. I'm just pointing out the lack of awareness of mainstream Christians in issues such as the law and homosexuality. I have so many Christian friends that do not think outside the bible. I find that more moslems can readily defend their religion better than christians. Most of them will readily point out the flaws of the new testament in the bible and the structure of the church (and i'm not a moslem, i only hold their view objectively).

Don't put the blame on atheists (which by the way I am not one) entirely for the separation of the church and state. You have to take into consideration of other religions which make up the the rest of the population of this earth.
 
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Personally, I hate the word tolerance. At the heart of tolerance is disgust. i.e I will deal with you even though, deep down, you disgust me. So I'm not really that impressed with the legislature and populace for making great strides of tolerating us more than the US, especially when Canada, New Zealand, the UK, South Africa, the Netherlands, Iceland, France and Spain are all leaps and bounds ahead of us.

It is correct to note that our laws are influenced by the religious institution however I think the Christian identification thing is a bit out of whack. The wonder of identity politics is that you can identify with something without taking upon certain traits so just because someone puts 'Christian' on the census does not mean they practice nor do they ascribe to all of or even some of the Church's ideologies as a result of their faith. The Christian/non-Christian divide is also false, there are many other non-Christian institutions and identities which are as important to the culture of this country's residents as any other. It also tends to create a Christian vs. Queer false binary sum equation.

Also, you haven't totally encapsulated the queer view.

One significant viewpoint is that we shouldn't get the same rights as straight people, that not only is that just a form of neo-liberalism to compare the the penis sizes of what rights we each have but also that marriage is a hetero-normative patriarchal institution that's been used to beat people into traditionally sexed and gendered boxes for far too long. We shouldn't be wearing those white dresses and black tuxedoes because we've fought hard enough that we don't have to. It's very much a socialist/anarchist view springing from the queer movement of the 70s; love who we want, love when we want, love where we want and love what we want which was pushing to show that it doesn't matter if we don't live that way.


I don't think I completely prescribe to that view, I am one of those neo-liberals, I suppose, in that I do want us to have every single right as equal as can be to yours. I doubt I would ever get married, myself, and would push more for dissolution of the marriage institution as a legal one but *shrug* I'm also one of the people who hate that whether someone is born queer comes into it at all. We don't need an excuse to be who we are.

There are also the non-Christian self haters who live with every bit of the shame, if not more, that the Christian 'ex'-gays do. Plenty of Brahman, Muslim, Atheist etc. queers try to change, challenge or repress who they are. So it's not just Christian queers versus non-Christian queers.

I'd also like to note that we're more than gays and lesbians; there are bisexuals, transgendered, intersexed and on and on and so forth. There's also other people who identify as straight but also kind of fit into this group.
Indeed, i agree with you on tolerance. I am however appreciative that Australia is at least much better than many other countries that are totally ignorant about homosexuals.

Yes definitely I agree where there are also many non-christians gays of other religions that live with the shame. the fact that we live in an predominantly anglo saxon country with christian roots, its only fair to deal with gay christians as the poll is on "homosexuality in australia". Definitely, bisexuals and transgendered do have their own valid problems, but I would definitely mention them if the topic wasn't confined to homosexuals and australia.
 

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How are we less ignorant to the existence of homosexuals? If anything, we're much much more. Real men are very rare today imo.
Society is poisoned and lacking in the courage and conviction to confront its demons :eek:
 

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What sets apart a real man, Iron?

And don't be vague for once.

Like how can I be one, in no uncertain terms.
 

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