Simpson Freak
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Well most of what you said about the apparent bad morals and vices of these "muslims" are more to do with parental/social influences instead of religious ones.dilroy said:Muslims just need to be educated properly, a lot of them are very dumb and need some sense knocked into them. I live in Western Sydney, Auburn/Berala to be exact and I'm no fan of Mohammad, God and religion all together as it is the cause of the worlds insanity.
In this part of town the Muslims are a very rude and arrogant bunch, of course you would have the odd ones out who are normal and possibly some that would become doctors and so on, but the rest of the idiots would become low wage morons and then produce a lot of offspring to claim government benefits. There are a lot of Asians here I have to admit, but they are doing good for the economy and are an ambitious bunch.
However, it feels like the majority of Muslims are letting down the country, as if there is a leash attached to them like a two year old child that doesn't want to age.
They demand so much from the government and the community, yet they only care about themselves. Take for instance, I have two mates and one is an Asian Australian and another Anglo Australian, both are doing trade courses in TAFE but when they go job seeking they were all rejected by Middle-Eastern employers, however a Middle-Eastern apprentice would easily be able to find a job in any trade as they are all related somehow and they control most of the trade works in Sydney.
They say they are being treated like second class citizens by Australians, but they themselves treat women like second class citizens, even their own wives for that matter.
They have no manners and are rude to staff, they will call you racist in stores if you don't serve them properly... and they do the usual park in the middle of the road to talk to a mate when there is plenty of parking on the side thing.
They say they can't accept the Australian way of life, they are against valentines day, they destroy the items outside your house that you want to donate to a Christmas charity, they will egg your house around here if you place Christmas lightings sometimes... and now this cartoon stuff? They always relate to violence... it's in their blood. Did I mention they have no respect for any other religion besdies themselves?
I could go on for ages...
It's not only happening here in Australia... check the Paris riots, southern Thailand conflict, USA, Spain, England, Indonesia...
People say it's disgraceful what the Anglos have done in Cronulla, I myself am not a supporter of it, but there are people in Europe and Asia that apparently say we are brave for standing up against them. I was suprised to hear that from the opinions of many overseas people.
Of course there would be people from Perth, Adelaide and Brisbane who believe I'm being totally unfair. Just like how I think South Africans are cool, but how people in Perth find them arrogant.
You got to know them before you judge them, those Muslims that manage to branch away from the west turn out good, but the ones that enclose themselves and trap themselves within will most likely end up a lost soul.
I talked to a lebanese male that I met in a tutoring class, after seeing his questionable morals and foul mouth, i asked him if he is muslim, he basically said yes but showed much shame. I was angered to see someone who has morals so different to my own and yet claims he is part of the same religion as I. He probably knows nothing about the teachings of his religion, or atleast very little, so how can you say that his religion causes him to act his way.
Its completely stupid to assume that any part of Islam condones what is wrong in such ghettos. Such racial tensions have been around in many societies and still are. There is nothing in Islam that would make people egg the houses of those with christmas lights, muslims believe in Jesus anyway, why should they care if you celebrate his birth. Its basic human nature, they attack what they do not understand.
And why would anyone call attacking women and men that even looked like they have a middle-eastern background be called "standing up"
The cartoon stuff is completely different i was listening to an american muslim professor and she herself said that the VIOLENT protests are coming from mainly shut off middle eastern countries, where their media most likely exaggerate the situation. She said that the ones in the west have given more moderate responses.
I dont know if the riots in Paris are the same reason for the ones here, in paris, there is a strict class order, where the poor remain poor and the rich remain rich, most journalists show that the reason why these people rebel are not because they are muslim but because they have basically lost hope.
In australia, i understand what you mean when you say that so many youths from the middle east are an economic drain on the country, but then again you can only blame the parents, who could not give a rats where their children are at night, and whether they are going right in school. Which is an outrage and hypocritical of these "muslims" since Knowledge and Education are highly regarded in Islam.
My mother, a devout muslim, usually says that "arabs are a dirty people", when i question her statement, she says she is not racist, but you can see it in society how so many turn out so bad.
My main argument is that all the problems that you have mentioned that middle-easterners have caused are not condoned by their religion but more just by their social environment. I dont know who started it, but they do something bad, and they get labelled as animals, and usually they just do worse things, which supports the stereotypes even more.
My dad usually says that asians and indians/curries (lots of which are muslim) have a good strong work ethic which has been passed down by their parents. He thinks chinese, japanese and koreans are good ethical people and yet he thinks vietnamese people are less tolerable and more immoral, clearly these are just stereotypes that he has gained through his experience with people.
Exactly the same way that you see these scum who for some damn reason still call themselve muslim, give all of us a bad rep. I scolded that lebanese male for making my religion look bad because of his cultural ethics, but what would he care.
And as for the problems caused by religion, i sincerely think if people couldnt use religion to justify their own rationale, they will just use something else.
And why are you saying "you got to know them before yo judge them", you shoudnt judge people anyway, and if you are so compelled that you just have to, are you myopic that you think the stereotypes of a race can justify you viewing the entire people in that way, afterall then you would be the one turning people away from a job because of their race.
oya and about middle easteners calling other people racist when they arent treated the way they want, its kinda common in any society, like you see comedy movies in the US about black people doing that.
Ultimately, i dont know if i would be viewed as a middle eastern or not, like my country is above Iran but closely related to turkey, anyway i noticed that the difference between me and someone else, is that my parents push me to be the best i can be.....o dear that sounds so cliche'd ...lol.... but anyway i guess the parents of most of these middle easteners could not care what type of person their kids will become, or maybe they have so many of their own problems that they have no time for their kids...well i would say to them to stop having kids if they cant take care of them, but just like countries that have a very poor lower class they usually use copulation as a method to forget their troubles, i see some of those tv shows like fat pizza, that depict these middle eastern people that are basically lost souls...however, its basically their social community that makes them act that way, not their Religion. You say they exclude others, and yet you dont realise that Islam was the first of the Abrahamic faiths that did include others.
A good point that i remembered, that these people usually dont even care about their religion nor do they understand it, and so when something appears that is different, ie christmas lighting, their insecurities about their religion and about their pathetic existence usually causes them to be amoral and violent. Once again, ITS NOT CONDONED BY THEIR RELIGION.
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