Yes htis is true. BUt i will not begin an arguement withu, i have found that oen must beleive insilam ot undersntad truely the essence of islam and it's ways and the hadith, the qur'an and all teachings and laws.Generator said:History can be changed, but your prophet's words remain immutable and 'true'?
googooloo said:LIke how i was readn da ohtr day that the holy trinity nad divnity of god came about when soem humans deicded to define the doctrines and such 300-500yrs afta christ. By that tiem poor jesus' messgae as been lost , thereofre equalling the whole thigns a sham. CUase humans made up the divinity of jesus and god in 3 parts. God is god, and he was not born nor cannot die, god does not have sons, ifso then adam and eve are divine, if so then abrahams son form his barren wife is divine, those idiots didn't think of those things before they made that stuff up.
I think you kind of ripped your own argument apart.googooloo said:books dont tell u everything
ramadan mubarak to you too, and for all of you out there.soha said:Happy Ramadan to all me Peeps!!
in reguards to ur dads friend..i know heaps of muslims that drink alcoholAnti-Mathmite said:What is the purpose of Ramadan? (I know it's for discipline, but why?)
Also, my dads Islamic friend drinks alcohol as much as anyone else and when he was questioned as to why he drinks Alcohol when he's not supposed to, he said "it's a miracle you know. I put the bottle to my mouth.. and .. It turns to water instantly! A miracle!".
If only more people broke from archaic religious traditions once in a while (just the corny ones.. not christmas or anything).
Fanaticism? What's with labels...moderate, fenatic, extremeist! I hate htem, stupid media. There are enough sub-groups in Islam as their is we do not need more labels, we are all one.Damage Inc. said:Her religious fanaticism does nothing to help her either.
What exactly was I to reply to besides the stupid talking about my incoherent speech?insert-username said:Shrug. We probably should leave it there. Best stop derailing the topic and get back to waiting for a reply, I think.
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I'm always looking foward to Eid (the kid inside me always wants money).tempco said:ramadan mubarak to you too, and for all of you out there.
Damage Inc. said:No. I wasn't labeling all muslims as fanatics, I was calling you one.
Perhaps some people just have an interest in pointing out the flaws in what they believe is an erroneous view of history? It's not like I'm up in arms simply because you've offended my European ancestors (seeing as I don't have any), and it's not like I keep on replying to your inane posts simply because I believe I'm better than you on the account of my race and culture. If that were the case, perhaps I should be on my soapbox extolling the greatness of everything generically East Asian.googooloo said:it is as simple as, pride, beleiveing that im beta than u and racism.
Of course historical FACTS can be changed, and I'm well aware of the physical impossibility of travelling back through time. History though is the pursuit of knowledge, and since we don't have a time-travel machine, the best we can do is rely on archaeology and the study of sources and how well they corroborate with each other (if they do at all). In other words, making INFORMED opinions based on what we know and have from multiple sources. That a lot of your historical views of the Renaissance seem to have been formed based on watching an Islamic history video with a likely bias don't really convince me of your superior knowledge.Why im saying this? Becuase it re-enforces thae fact hat history can be changed, books dont tell u everything, u'd really have to go back in time to see but u cannot, but if u look carefully enoug u'll see the truth in soem places, but i dont suspect u'll understand even when i speak the plainest truths to u. People beleive what htey want ot hear.
just a little something from another forum.Arabic philosophy is not important as original thought. Men like Avicenna and Averroes are essentially commentators. Speaking generally, the views of the more scientific philosophers come from Aristotle and the Neoplatonists in logic and metaphysics, from Galen in medicine, from Greek and Indian sources in mathmatics and astronomy, and among mystics religious philosophy has also an admixture of old Persian beliefs. Writers in Arabic showed some originality in mathmatics and in chemistry - in the latter case, as an incidental result of alchemical researches. Mohammedan civilization in its great days was admirable in the arts and in many technical ways, but it showed no capacity for independent speculation in theoretical matters. Its importance, which must not be underrated, is as a transmitter. Between ancient and modern European civilisation, the dark ages intervened. The Mohammedans and the Byzantines, while lacking the intellectual energy required for innovation, preserved the appartus of civilsation - education, books, and learned leisure. Both stimulated the West when it emerged from barbarism - the Mohammedans chiefly in the thirteenth century, the Byzantines chiefly in the fifteenth. In each case the stimulus produced new thought better than any produced by the transmitters - in the one case scholasticism, in the other the Renaissance (which however had other causes also)
- Russell on Religion
The truth of the matter is that no civilisation stands in isolation from other civilisations - and in fact civilisations sometimes blur into one another so it's hard to tell where one ends and another begins. So, while Europe founded itself on Islamic civilisation, Islamic civilisation borrowed heavily from ancient Greek and contempory Indian knowledge.
Therefore, we could easily re-title this thread, 'Repaying Islam's Debt to Greece and India'.
And as we anticipate the decline of Western civilsation (in the next 100-200 years or so) we could re-title this thread yet again. That is, 'Repaying China's Debt to the West'.
Yes, we all acknowledge those brilliant men and women in history who made great discoveries. However, the point remains we should improve on those great discoveries and make even better ones in the here-and-now. Not only are the benefits immediate but the next generation will thank us for it.