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AsyLum said:
And so based upon your very own "qualifications" your degree is worth more than an arts degree, because by some chance, it endows upon you a magical experiential notion right?
Wrong, I didn't say my degree gives me any more knowledge about the world in general, what it does give me is more specific skills which are useful for an area. It was the other person who tried to claim that arts degrees will teach you about the real world. I argue the only way to learn about the real world is to BE IN the real world.

Last time i checked, the reality of the world was highly linked with the socio-economic factors as well as the socio-political goings of the world. How can you be a good business person if you cannot understand the very things which you are trying to govern and sell, are you managing a bunch of robots?
Essentially yes, the masses can be manipulated as an entity with propeganda and advertising. If you do need to understand people's motivation to work and such, the specialisation of Human Resources does teach you the relevant knowledge you need for this section, however for most facets of business, it is not essential to know them in depth.

And what sector would that be? Teaching in which we are lacking? Or perhaps you'd have abetter chance with a B IT or B Comm-Accg?
There is no reason for Education to be thrown into the Arts degree mix, many unis have it as a seperate degree, or you can simply attain a degree in any other field then do a short bridging course to become qualified as a teacher. We hardly need and Arts degree to exist just to make teachers.

Ironic isnt it. *there*
Pedantic isn't it ?


And we could all live in a blissful ignorance whilst the powers to be take full advantage of us...
Many already do.

It is the purported historiographical and socio-cultural contextual image purported through media and the perception of a homogenous entity of a community.
Sure, but I asked what is OUR identity, Australia's, please define it?
 

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Pedantic? You spelt the wrong word.

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Wrong, I didn't say my degree gives me any more knowledge about the world in general, what it does give me is more specific skills which are useful for an area. It was the other person who tried to claim that arts degrees will teach you about the real world. I argue the only way to learn about the real world is to BE IN the real world.
Hang on im confused, so an Arts degree wont give me any real world experience, and neither will your degree, right?
Therefore, we can say that neither degree is inherently "better" in that respect, thus eliminating this "hierachy" in degrees based upon this particular context and area no?

Essentially yes, the masses can be manipulated as an entity with propeganda and advertising. If you do need to understand people's motivation to work and such, the specialisation of Human Resources does teach you the relevant knowledge you need for this section, however for most facets of business, it is not essential to know them in depth.
If one is doing a pure Arts degree, one would assume that they know the limitations placed upon graduation from a degree, that is narrowly speaking, that they are not accredited with the formation of the relevant criteria for a business management no? But having said that, it still remains, that the socio-political/economic sector is symbiotically linked, and real world situations, their interpretation and ramifications and effects must be taken into account as a good businessperson.

There is no reason for Education to be thrown into the Arts degree mix, many unis have it as a seperate degree, or you can simply attain a degree in any other field then do a short bridging course to become qualified as a teacher. We hardly need and Arts degree to exist just to make teachers.
Ill give you that, but again, the Arts degree is there to be a supplement, and many unis offer as such.

Of course an Arts degree does not fit you for a specific job, rather it lays the foundation for success in many spheres. Our graduates are found in many walks of life. But the message we are getting from employers more and more is that they want graduates with good generalist degrees. Thus students entering the Faculty should see their studies here as an excellent passport to the future. But rarely will a BA suffice. You should see your studies here as part of a larger package, where you will need to combine your generalist degree with either a vocational program (through our combined degrees), a specialised postgraduate coursework degree or on-the-job training provided by an employer (and sometimes a combination of these). What you can have confidence in is that the excellence of the generalist foundation the Faculty seeks to provide. In the rapidly changing learning environment of The University of Sydney you will have the opportunity, through our combined and specialist degrees, to link the skills you acquire in the humanities and social sciences with other areas of the University - law, economics, science, education, engineering, and nursing, to name but a few, developing generalist skills relevant to all fields in conjunction with specific expertise. Graduates from this Faculty have forged stimulating and important careers in many fields, such as the professions, the media, government, business, industry, commerce, community organisations and the arts.

An education in the humanities and social sciences, however, is more than just a means of fitting you for the demands of a career. By introducing you to the riches of the humanities, the social sciences, languages, music and the arts, the Faculty seeks to develop new horizons for all its students, to help them achieve their potential as productive, fulfilled, creative, imaginative, tolerant and useful citizens. We believe that what you learn here will stand you in good stead for the rest of your lives, not just your working lives.

You are joining a body of about 6,500 students, almost 5,500 of whom are undergraduates, with an academic staff of about 200 and 80 administrative staff. Students come from a diversity of backgrounds: Australian and overseas born, of English and non-English speaking backgrounds, domestic and international students, students of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander background, recent school leavers and older students who may have begun or completed other forms of vocational or higher education, with a range of employment experiences, all creating a richness in the student population which contributes to the scholarly debates in formal tutorials and seminars and in your informal discussions.

You will find that the various units you have the opportunity to study, in your Arts and other Arts-related degrees, are taught not only within the departments and inter-departmental programs in the Faculty itself, but also in other departments outside of Arts, especially in Science, Economics and Education. Your future may see you take a fourth year to do an honours degree, and the Faculty of Arts is proud of its advanced level units of study which attract students who wish to undertake research in depth in their chosen field. Or you may take a second or combined degree, enter postgraduate research or coursework in this or another university.
If we are talking 'prestige' USYD Arts department offer a good explanation of the real nature of it.

Sure, but I asked what is OUR identity, Australia's, please define it?
It is a range of things, and at the same time not. There is no singular image or identity, especially in an increasingly global world where nation-states are being melded together. You want a real answer? Try a cultural studies unit, and that will enlighten you better than i can in a 1 am forum argument.
 
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Hang on im confused, so an Arts degree wont give me any real world experience, and neither will your degree, right?
Therefore, we can say that neither degree is inherently "better" in that respect, thus eliminating this "hierachy" in degrees based upon this particular context and area no?
That's right, neither will be better based on what it teaches you about "life" or the real world. However I say a business or other more specialised degree is more useful as it teaches you a complete skill set. An arts degree only teaches you segments from here and there, never really giving you the whole set of skills that you need to understand each section. It's like a Business degree give you all the abilities to ride and steer a bike. An arts degree gives you the ability to drive a card, bike, unicycle - but it doesn't tell you how to steer any of them. I say that the only thing more dangerous than knowing something is knowing a fraction of everything, but thinking you know everything.

If one is doing a pure Arts degree, one would assume that they know the limitations placed upon graduation from a degree, that is narrowly speaking, that they are not accredited with the formation of the relevant criteria for a business management no? But having said that, it still remains, that the socio-political/economic sector is symbiotically linked, and real world situations, their interpretation and ramifications and effects must be taken into account as a good businessperson.
This is true but the person should have already gained easily adequit skills in life already to be able to understand these things to the level required. This combined with keeping up to date in the media and on world issues should easily provide all the background needed for a career in business, without the need for specific degree just to teach you these day to day functions.

If we are talking 'prestige' USYD Arts department offer a good explanation of the real nature of it.
Well propeganda from a uni which wants people to enroll in it's course isn't that useful, but even so, this paragraph again seems to talk about how it teaches you life skills ect, but I argue the only way to truely learn thesse is to be in the real world itself, a textbook is a far infearior equivalent.

It is a range of things, and at the same time not. There is no singular image or identity, especially in an increasingly global world where nation-states are being melded together. You want a real answer? Try a cultural studies unit, and that will enlighten you better than i can in a 1 am forum argument.
This is one of my points too, it's so many things, it's ever changing, and what applies somewhere will not apply somewhere else, so what is the point in doing a degree about it? It will clearly become obsolescent soon or may not apply to areas where you need it.
 

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Again, you cant say that a textbook cannot teach you the skills to handle life, and at the same time give your own degree a plug about how it gives you certain skills "specialised" or otherwise, which enable you to better accomodate. Sure if we were vying for a business position the person with the business degree would logically have the advantange, but at the same time, if we were vying for a social science position or historiography position, the arts degree would have the advantage would it not? In the end, all degrees, according to your reasoning only equip as to so far of this real world experience, and as such within that criteria, all degrees are in theory the same.

Can we really be that aware of media/society and the ongoings? The children overboard scandal sure showed us that we could still be fooled by politicians. Sure we can keep up to date with it, but the skills inherently achieved and taught within many arts/humanities units are helpful elsewhere. I know personally, that the philosophical reasoning and logic, the ancient history research and even the undertaking of japanese, which forced me to learn a new language, shed some light upon english itself. The value of those is not essential, but it is a choice for those who do not wish/or dont know what they want to do in uni, or as a sanity degree.

Does the business world not change? Is it not always evolving with technology, culture, media and society? Then by your very same reasoning, and i quote "it's so many things, it's ever changing, and what applies somewhere will not apply somewhere else, so what is the point in doing a degree about it? It will clearly become obsolescent soon or may not apply to areas where you need it." IT did not exist as a degree until the big boom, neither did media, neither did many things. In fact Philosophy had grouped under it Science, English/Literature, Maths, and Politics and a plethora of other disciplines a few hundred years back, now it has changed and specialised courses accomodate for those who wish to undertake them.
 
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Thats true christ tine ... the only other uni forum i've posted in was USYD, only cause they were convinced that everyone at UWS thinks that they are snobs.

I don't know how anyone has time during lectures to socialise. I go to lectures to learn and to take endless okages of notes as well, i'm always too busy writing to talk :rolleyes: only cause tourism subjects don't have textbooks, so I have no reference for future readings, so i have to pay careful attention in lectures. Lectures do provide you with very good information that you will need later on.
yeah i agree - i mean, one of my lectures, the entire lecture basically gets posted on web ct so u could talk if you wanted but everyone else in the lecture hall would get the shits with you for doing it..

but my ithe rbusiness lecture, you cant not pay attention coz we only get a basic framework of the lecture onweb ct and Nadine goes into detail verbally so if you wanna socialise you'll be totally lost...
 
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yeah, but Shuter and all the rest deliberately post to diss it. i post in the general uni section, but i don't go around bagging out other unis.

it's funny how people complain about UWS being crowded.. i LIKE the fact that its got heaps of people. more to know :) i dont have any problems with my tutes or lecs.. it's all good w/ me.
i think, at least people i've talked to in my classes, only have issues with the over crowding when it means you aren't enrolled in your unit initially coz of stupid quotas and you have to go thru the whole process with the unit coordinator to get it fixed..

and when people rock up to different lectures etc or swap back and forth between different time slots when they feel like it, coz i mean, if you're enrolled in that time slot and you cant get a seat in the room because other people just decide to turn up it would get a little bit anoying
 
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well im not bagging out the uni, i just came cause the thread caught my interest. But from a sociology perspective its very interesting to find out why UWS is the only uni which gets bagged out.
sorry but i have to disagrre - i dont think uws is the only uni to get bagged out...

it seems uws is the only one to get bagged out for lack of funding n facilities etc which is fair enough coz its true but plenty of otehr unis get bagged for other reasons...
 

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uws is a shit uni my lecturers are constantly reminding us how the uni is in a financial crisis. my biology tutorial has over 400 ppl in it. my anatomy pracs have been slashed from 11 to 9 to now 7. which means The Unit objectives now cannot be met which means i cant undertake anatomy units later in my degree and · It may not fulfil credit transfer requirements if i want to move to another university. my biology practicals have also been slashed in half to once a fortnight

and u pple get mad at us USyd peeps for calling your Uni crap.
 
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and u pple get mad at us USyd peeps for calling your Uni crap.
no i dont think that's why - i think people get the shits with some Usyd people n ot for saying uws is shit, but because they say Usyd is better and have this ridiculous superiority/elitest complex..

besides - who ever said that everyone at Usyd loves the uni - i can guarantee you tehre are people who go to Usyd and don't like it, just as there are people at every uni who dont enjoy their time there
 

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you quote something said back a couple of hours ago, without reading what was said recently, read everything you fool

I have, and I think you are the fool
 

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sorry but i have to disagrre - i dont think uws is the only uni to get bagged out...

it seems uws is the only one to get bagged out for lack of funding n facilities etc which is fair enough coz its true but plenty of otehr unis get bagged for other reasons...

True. USyd is something to keep your eyes on. The Administration will is cutting back on a lot of funds it is spending less than its recieveing.
 

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and u pple get mad at us USyd peeps for calling your Uni crap.

Yes! Because I work near USyd and I used to be a student there when doing a course with the LEC. I have been to UWS as well and am still with UWS, I think I have made the right decision.
 

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uws is a shit uni my lecturers are constantly reminding us how the uni is in a financial crisis. my biology tutorial has over 400 ppl in it. my anatomy pracs have been slashed from 11 to 9 to now 7. which means The Unit objectives now cannot be met which means i cant undertake anatomy units later in my degree and · It may not fulfil credit transfer requirements if i want to move to another university. my biology practicals have also been slashed in half to once a fortnight

i believe what youve said actually. i saw something in the newspaper about your uni having to put their books in a landfill and ur tutes conducted on a lawn. my sympathies
 
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it was in the daily telegraph but im not inclined to think its true, afterall the daily telegraph is full of bullshit. is it really that bad though>
 
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Loneshadow- its actually ok when UWS people call UWS shit, becuase they have actually expereinced it. USYD students have no right saying anything cuz well, they know jack shit dont they
haha couldnt agree more

and i noticed how usyd people have a habit or saying uws is shit because we pay less.... paying less doesnt equate to it being shit....

it just means that maybe some of our facilities aren't as good etc, but ultimately (for the mostpart) the teachers are good and the people are niec so who cares?

i'd rather go to a uni with less facilities and nice people and pay less than pay a shit load more for facilities that i'd probably never use :p
 

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I have, and I think you are the fool
lol, thats funny, i say the same thing to my 10yr old brother and i get the same response that u gave me

btw, if u kno me (which u dont) u would know that i use the word 'fool' as a joke, too bad the sarcasm doesnt come out when i type, anyway dont take it so seriously, and at the end i agreed with angellic anyway, so u didnt read everything you fool, lol jks
 

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lol, thats funny, i say the same thing to my 10yr old brother and i get the same response that u gave me
Smart little brother you have


btw, if u kno me (which u dont) u would know that i use the word 'fool' as a joke, too bad the sarcasm doesnt come out when i type, anyway dont take it so seriously, and at the end i agreed with angellic anyway, so u didnt read everything you fool, lol jks

lol thats ok mate, all in good faith in our arguments.
 

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haha couldnt agree more

and i noticed how usyd people have a habit or saying uws is shit because we pay less.... paying less doesnt equate to it being shit....

it just means that maybe some of our facilities aren't as good etc, but ultimately (for the mostpart) the teachers are good and the people are niec so who cares?

i'd rather go to a uni with less facilities and nice people and pay less than pay a shit load more for facilities that i'd probably never use :p
I cant really say weather the teachers are any better at USYD than UWS, But i dont think ive seen anyone saying that UWS is shit because you pay less. I did say that the person really shouldnt complain about the lack of facilities because thats why they are paying less.

But the lack of facilities just simply means that it is harder for the individual to gain an education. Facilities faciliate learning. Lack of facilities therefore make learning hard. E.g. a lecture hall filled to capacity might mean some people will be on the floor or what ever and theat makes there learning hard. It doesnt make the university shit, it just places more responsibility on the learner to try hard.
 
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