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[kami]

Who's claiming that God created evil? I think it's more probable that 'evil' is everything that is not created from God.

Lucifer? Britney Spears? Twilight?

Are you saying they did not come from god in some way?

 

[B_B_J]

Who's claiming that God created evil? I think it's more probable that 'evil' is everything that is not created from God.

LOL. God creates everything but evil. LOL
where did evil come from? Satan?
didnt god create satan as well?

 

[Iron]

The point is that the evil is not from God. He may have created the apple, but not the effect it had on us...
In His divine justice, God permits freedom to both angel and man. We can all decide to use this to renounce our Father and live with the pigs, but in his infinite mercy he will leave the light on and the door unlocked in case we come home.

 

[Lentern]

Are you as much of a sped irl as on the internet man? Do you sit in the back of class and go 'LOLZ I R CLEVERER DEN U GUYZ~" <3 Jesus

They don't need to be told.

 

[kami]

The point is that the evil is not from God. He may have created the apple, but not the effect it had on us...
In His divine justice, God permits freedom to both angel and man. We can all decide to use this to renounce our Father and live with the pigs, but in his infinite mercy he will leave the light on and the door unlocked in case we come home.

So he just created the potential for evil?

 

[Iron]

Free will gives us the potential for both good and evil. The choice is ours, not God's
or Satan's.

 

[Silver Persian]

Dear kami, it is foolish to pick at Iron like a well-reasoned vulture supping upon a rotting carcass. You must appreciate the majesty of his vision; and recognise that the poetry he offers says more than science or philosophy ever can.

 

[Iron]

What have I said that is unreasonable? You may think that God is beyond the limit of reason and therefore impossible - that is your right. But for many of us, we claim Christ as reason itself. All things rational stem from Him. We were created as a rational being and, indeed, it is through reason that our freedom is best exercised.
Faith needs reason, sure, I conceed that, but reason also needs faith...
What exactly is the science of love, for instance? Where is the logic of this violent and discriminatory act?

 

[Tully B.]

In His divine justice, God permits freedom to both angel and man. We can all decide to use this to renounce our Father and live with the pigs, but in his infinite mercy he will leave the light on and the door unlocked in case we come home.

In what way is it our free will that defines whether or not we believe in God? Faith is very similar to simple belief in that there is no choice in the matter. I can't choose to believe in God in more than I can choose to believe 1 + 1 = 2.

 

[Iron]

In what way is it our free will that defines whether or not we believe in God? Faith is very similar to simple belief in that there is no choice in the matter. I can't choose to believe in God in more than I can choose to believe 1 + 1 = 2.

If you weren't made deaf by sin to the Truth that underscores the entire universe, you'd conceed that the divine revelation is just as true as the mathematical proof.
If you looked closely, you'd even see God in the mathematical proof

 

[Tully B.]

Faith needs reason, sure, I conceed that, but reason also needs faith...
What exactly is the science of love, for instance? Where is the logic of this violent and discriminatory act?

The concept of love fantastical enough without cheapening it with horseshit rationale and tales of the supernatural.

Plus: if all love comes from God, where does God come from? etc. etc.

 

[Lentern]

So he just created the potential for evil?

I'm curious to know if we view evil as relative to something else or if its an unconditional concept that is not shifted by circumstance.

 

[Kwayera]

If you weren't made deaf by sin to the Truth that underscores the entire universe, you'd conceed that the divine revelation is just as true as the mathematical proof.
If you looked closely, you'd even see God in the mathematical proof

And in my toast.

 

[Tully B.]

If you weren't made deaf by sin to the Truth that underscores the entire universe, you'd conceed that the divine revelation is just as true as the mathematical proof.
If you looked closely, you'd even see God in the mathematical proof

If I did so "concede", it would not be by way of choice.

 

[Tully B.]

And in my toast.

Especially in your toast.

 

[katie tully]

in my fencepost

if i had one

 

[Iron]

If I did so "concede", it would not be by way of choice.

This is what I was saying before you barged in. Reason and faith depend on each other - neither can survive on their own. They both wither into either superstition or genocidal soviet bureaucracy, if separated

 

[Lentern]

The concept of love fantastical enough without cheapening it with horseshit rationale and tales of the supernatural.

Plus: if all love comes from God, where does God come from? etc. etc.

Oh dear, up until now I have found you to be one of those delightful folk who dissagree with me but will still discuss the notion of religion reasonably. But "where does God come from?" The whole idea of religion at its most fundamental is that at the begining of all things begotten, something began. As we generally believe that nothing happens without some kind of trigger however subtle then somewhere along the way there must have been something not bound by the fundamental laws of science as we know them that got the ball rolling. The Big Bang could not have happened without trigger, and if it did then the Big Bang is effectively a religious theory.

 

[Kwayera]

Oh dear, up until now I have found you to be one of those delightful folk who dissagree with me but will still discuss the notion of religion reasonably. But "where does God come from?" The whole idea of religion at its most fundamental is that at the begining of all things begotten, something began. As we generally believe that nothing happens without some kind of trigger however subtle then somewhere along the way there must have been something not bound by the fundamental laws of science as we know them that got the ball rolling. The Big Bang could not have happened without trigger, and if it did then the Big Bang is effectively a religious theory.

What, so are you saying it is physically impossible for something to happen without a catalyst?

 

[Tully B.]

This is what I was saying before you barged in. Reason and faith depend on each other - neither can survive on their own. They both wither into either superstition or genocidal soviet bureaucracy, if separated

I don't understand. Are you agreeing with me? I can't tell...

Oh dear, up until now I have found you to be one of those delightful folk who dissagree with me but will still discuss the notion of religion reasonably. But "where does God come from?" The whole idea of religion at its most fundamental is that at the begining of all things begotten, something began. As we generally believe that nothing happens without some kind of trigger however subtle then somewhere along the way there must have been something not bound by the fundamental laws of science as we know them that got the ball rolling. The Big Bang could not have happened without trigger, and if it did then the Big Bang is effectively a religious theory.

I was merely repeating an often-asked and perfectly reasonable question. I don't see why we should appoint God as the "religious trigger" of all that is rather than, say, the big bang. Personally, I don't believe in the first and am a little shaky about the second. Anyways, my argument wasn't supposed to be seen as one about the "origin of everything", rather about love, which I think is cheapened by the discussion of its origin.

I, however, still find you to be one of the delightful folk who disagree with me, but still discusses the notion of religion reasonably.
Do you think faith is a personal choice?