Homosexuality in Australia (14 Viewers)

[SeCKSiiMiNh]

Why the hell did you quote yourself? Give yourself a + 1 while you're at it.

Well noone addressed the point raised in my quote, so i saw fit to... quote my own quote.

 

[Name_Taken]

Yeah! Let's blame it all on the gays! It's so more much easier to blindly follow the bible and oppress a minority than it is to use our own common sense and realise that homosexuals have been blatantly underhanded!

I don't blame the loss of societies moral values on the gay population alone, they are merely one cause. I equally blame the "casual sex" culture that has arisn and the aspects of the entertainment industry, for promoting the "sex revolution" which encourages such imoral behaviours, especially among the impressionable youth.

It's our fault we want to be happy! It is our fault that we are gay! We are to blame for their and society's "inevitable demise".

The gay "culture" if it can be called that represents the continual loss of societies moral values as I have said numerous times. It is this degredation of traditional values, if allowed to continue unopposed which will cause the demise of Western society.

You also make the mistake of assuming that you can only be happy through the consumation of your sinful lusts. You will find more happiness living a morally upright life with wholesome relationships by God, followed by eternal life in Heaven that you will chasing sinful temptations.

They have made it PERFECTLY CLEAR(although I'm still unclear on how)that the union of a man & man or woman & woman would have deadly repercussions on heterosexual marriage (i.e. decline of heterosexual marriage and death to all!).

Marriage is not a right. Furthermore marriage is a wholly religious ceremony, used to celebrate the union of a man and women. There are many reasons against gay marriage, but that is a seperate debate altogether.

I mean the heterosexual population is obviously perfect and the intended method live! Fellow homosexuals, lend me your ears! We would do well to follow the brilliant examples led by the heterosexual virgin, Iron!

By the very fact that you measure someone's credibility through (in part at least) on their virginity demonstrates my point on moral degredation.

 

[SeCKSiiMiNh]

I don't blame the loss of societies moral values on the gay population alone, they are merely one cause. I equally blame the "casual sex" culture that has arisn and the aspects of the entertainment industry, for promoting the "sex revolution" which encourages such imoral behaviours, especially among the impressionable youth.

I still don't understand how a relationship between two males or females would be detrimental on society?!?!?!?!?!?1 What direct harm would it cause? Would people simply drop dead when two females enter in a relationship? Would god unleash 10 plagues when 2 males express their love for one another???

The gay "culture" if it can be called that represents the continual loss of societies moral values as I have said numerous times. It is this degredation of traditional values, if allowed to continue unopposed which will cause the demise of Western society.

HOW does it "represent the continual loss of societies moral values"?? How do you measure the level of morals present in society? Is it inversely proportionate to the amount of homosexuals present in society?

And traditional you say? Well what about slavery? Oppression of women?

You also make the mistake of assuming that you can only be happy through the consumation of your sinful lusts. You will find more happiness living a morally upright life with wholesome relationships by God, followed by eternal life in Heaven that you will chasing sinful temptations.

Well if the heterosexual population forgoes such "lusts", then equality might be achieved. Can you possibly name me some homosexuals who have submitted themselves to this "wholesome relationship" thing with "god".

Marriage is not a right. Furthermore marriage is a wholly religious ceremony, used to celebrate the union of a man and women. There are many reasons against gay marriage, but that is a seperate debate altogether.

Yes, i know marriage is not a right. It's obviously a PRIVILEGE! And marriage was once seen as a business agreement between 2 families, if I'm not mistaken.

 

[kelly tully]

Why isn't marriage a right?

 

[Enforsa_Said]

Lol religious people think they created the ability for two people to love each other.

the height
of
audacity.

 

[SeCKSiiMiNh]

Why isn't marriage a right?

I was being sarcastic

 

[0bs3n3]

Yes, i know marriage is not a right. It's obviously a PRIVILEGE! And marriage was once seen as a business agreement between 2 families, if I'm not mistaken.

Yeah but this isn't India, we didn't inherit that tradition.

 

[0bs3n3]

Why isn't marriage a right?

Pretty sure the UN Charter for Human Rights doesn't have it listed.

 

[SeCKSiiMiNh]

Yeah but this isn't India, we didn't inherit that tradition.

Marriage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

For most of European history, marriage was more or less a business agreement between two families who arranged the marriages of their children. Romantic love, and even simple affection, were not considered essential.[25] Historically, the perceived necessity of marriage has been stressed.[26]

 

[Name_Taken]

I still don't understand how a relationship between two males or females would be detrimental on society?!?!?!?!?!?1 What direct harm would it cause? Would people simply drop dead when two females enter in a relationship? Would god unleash 10 plagues when 2 males express their love for one another???

Have a read of this. This page is a fairly comprehensive summary as to the Christian arguements agaisnt gay marriage. I have summaried the main points below as a TL;DR version.

Same-sex Marriage, Gay, Homosexual, and Lesbian Unions

1. Effects on Moral and Religious Standards:
- The Bible (as well as many other religious texts) condemn homosexuality, and by extention, renounce gay marriage.
- By accepting gay marriage, it presents homosexuality as good and wholesome.

2. Effects on Traditional Marriage:
- Firstly the Bible (as well as other religious texts) authorise marriage as a relationship strictly between a heterosexual couple.
- Accepting gay marriage would be promoting a perverted relationship to the dignified status currently held by honourable marriage, thus tarnishing the wholesomeness of traditional marriage.

3. Effects on Children:
- Part of traditional marriage involves the companship of a mother and father caring for their children. Gay couples are unable to concieve children.
- Homosexual marriages deprive children of the right to being raised by mother and father.

4. Effects on Religious Organisations:
- The Church is responsible to preach the truth by God and oppose moral evils.
- Legislation and encouraging of gay marriage will pressure religious organisations to accept homosexuality.

5. Effects on Government and Education:
- The church and government have separate roles, but both church and government share a common duty to promote good morals and discourage evil conduct.
- Legislating gay marriage would put the government in the position of justifying evil.

 

[dieburndie]

Have a read of this. This page is a fairly comprehensive summary as to the Christian arguements agaisnt gay marriage. I have summaried the main points below as a TL;DR version.

Same-sex Marriage, Gay, Homosexual, and Lesbian Unions

1. Effects on Moral and Religious Standards:
- The Bible (as well as many other religious texts) condemn homosexuality, and by extention, renounce gay marriage.
- By accepting gay marriage, it presents homosexuality as good and wholesome.

2. Effects on Traditional Marriage:
- Firstly the Bible (as well as other religious texts) authorise marriage as a relationship strictly between a heterosexual couple.
- Accepting gay marriage would be promoting a perverted relationship to the dignified status currently held by honourable marriage, thus tarnishing the wholesomeness of traditional marriage.

3. Effects on Children:
- Part of traditional marriage involves the companship of a mother and father caring for their children. Gay couples are unable to concieve children.
- Homosexual marriages deprive children of the right to being raised by mother and father.

4. Effects on Religious Organisations:
- The Church is responsible to preach the truth by God and oppose moral evils.
- Legislation and encouraging of gay marriage will pressure religious organisations to accept homosexuality.

5. Effects on Government and Education:
- The church and government have separate roles, but both church and government share a common duty to promote good morals and discourage evil conduct.
- Legislating gay marriage would put the government in the position of justifying evil.

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[SeCKSiiMiNh]

Have a read of this. This page is a fairly comprehensive summary as to the Christian arguements agaisnt gay marriage. I have summaried the main points below as a TL;DR version.

Same-sex Marriage, Gay, Homosexual, and Lesbian Unions

1. Effects on Moral and Religious Standards:
- The Bible (as well as many other religious texts) condemn homosexuality, and by extention, renounce gay marriage.
- By accepting gay marriage, it presents homosexuality as good and wholesome.

2. Effects on Traditional Marriage:
- Firstly the Bible (as well as other religious texts) authorise marriage as a relationship strictly between a heterosexual couple.
- Accepting gay marriage would be promoting a perverted relationship to the dignified status currently held by honourable marriage, thus tarnishing the wholesomeness of traditional marriage.

3. Effects on Children:
- Part of traditional marriage involves the companship of a mother and father caring for their children. Gay couples are unable to concieve children.
- Homosexual marriages deprive children of the right to being raised by mother and father.

4. Effects on Religious Organisations:
- The Church is responsible to preach the truth by God and oppose moral evils.
- Legislation and encouraging of gay marriage will pressure religious organisations to accept homosexuality.

5. Effects on Government and Education:
- The church and government have separate roles, but both church and government share a common duty to promote good morals and discourage evil conduct.
- Legislating gay marriage would put the government in the position of justifying evil.

Heavens! Isn't there an argument against homosexuality that is NOT god-related? Your stated points sounds similar to me anyway.

 

[0bs3n3]

Heavens! Isn't there an argument against homosexuality that is NOT god-related? Your stated points sounds similar to me anyway.

Yes, he already posted them:

2. Effects on traditional marriage
3. Effect on children
5. Effects on Government and education

 

[John McCain]

Have a read of this. This page is a fairly comprehensive summary as to the Christian arguements agaisnt gay marriage. I have summaried the main points below as a TL;DR version.

Same-sex Marriage, Gay, Homosexual, and Lesbian Unions

1. Effects on Moral and Religious Standards:
- The Bible (as well as many other religious texts) condemn homosexuality, and by extention, renounce gay marriage.
- By accepting gay marriage, it presents homosexuality as good and wholesome.

2. Effects on Traditional Marriage:
- Firstly the Bible (as well as other religious texts) authorise marriage as a relationship strictly between a heterosexual couple.
- Accepting gay marriage would be promoting a perverted relationship to the dignified status currently held by honourable marriage, thus tarnishing the wholesomeness of traditional marriage.

3. Effects on Children:
- Part of traditional marriage involves the companship of a mother and father caring for their children. Gay couples are unable to concieve children.
- Homosexual marriages deprive children of the right to being raised by mother and father.

4. Effects on Religious Organisations:
- The Church is responsible to preach the truth by God and oppose moral evils.
- Legislation and encouraging of gay marriage will pressure religious organisations to accept homosexuality.

5. Effects on Government and Education:
- The church and government have separate roles, but both church and government share a common duty to promote good morals and discourage evil conduct.
- Legislating gay marriage would put the government in the position of justifying evil.

Strawman argument, he asked "how a relationship between two males or females would be detrimental on society? What direct harm would it cause?"

A relationship need have fuck all to do with marriage. The question he asked makes no demands at all on children, government or church.

 

[Got2Kno91]

Umm, shouldn't the number of gays, if it is not a choice, remain stable whether it is legalised/accepted or not?

Yes, but in the past many more people hid their homosexuality. A more accepting society means more are openly gay and willing to participate in sexual acts.

Also, massive LOL at all the gay ads in this thread about gay cruises and the like, which seem to epitomise the hedonistic lifestyle being painted about homosexuals by Iron and gang xD Talk about rubbing it in...

 

[Name_Taken]

Strawman argument, he asked "how a relationship between two males or females would be detrimental on society? What direct harm would it cause?"

A relationship need have fuck all to do with marriage. The question he asked makes no demands at all on children, government or church.

Promoting homosexuality in society is encouraging the participation in immoral acts of sexual perversion.

Thus, encouraging homosexuality through acceptance and promoting it as a normal and acceptable alternative lifestyle choice I believe is wrong.

I do not believe people who identify themselves as gay are bad people, but they are misguided to think that through consumating their sinful lusts that their relationships will in anyway equal that of heterosexual couples.

As has already been discussed, the heterosexual couple was developed to facilitate the procureation of children and to raise them in a caring and supportive unit, the family. Homosexual relationships can never achieve this aim.

The Christians opposition to homosexuality, stems not from a homophobic, descriminatory attitude against gays but a moral stance against the moral deteoriation occuring within society and the encouragement of acts of perversion, of which homosexuality represents one aspect.

 

[dolbinau]

Promoting homosexuality in society is encouraging the participation in immoral acts of sexual perversion.

I agree. Promoting homosexuality in society is only going to convince others to choose to become homosexual, and fuck: animals, their own family members, children. It also convinces others to commit adultery, to fornicate, masturbate - and use condoms/birth protection.

Fucking homosexuals, they're destroying society.

 

[John McCain]

hedonism is really the way to go in my experience.

 

[SeCKSiiMiNh]

Yes, he already posted them:

2. Effects on traditional marriage
3. Effect on children
5. Effects on Government and education

He used the bible and church in basically all his points. And, traditional marriage (man and woman) comes from the bible?

 

[SeCKSiiMiNh]

Promoting homosexuality in society is encouraging the participation in immoral acts of sexual perversion.

Thus, encouraging homosexuality through acceptance and promoting it as a normal and acceptable alternative lifestyle choice I believe is wrong.

I do not believe people who identify themselves as gay are bad people, but they are misguided to think that through consumating their sinful lusts that their relationships will in anyway equal that of heterosexual couples.

As has already been discussed, the heterosexual couple was developed to facilitate the procureation of children and to raise them in a caring and supportive unit, the family. Homosexual relationships can never achieve this aim.

The Christians opposition to homosexuality, stems not from a homophobic, descriminatory attitude against gays but a moral stance against the moral deteoriation occuring within society and the encouragement of acts of perversion, of which homosexuality represents one aspect.

Alright, so you disaprove of us entering into homosexual relationships. Are you able to control yourself and refrain from entering into a heterosexual relationship?