Homosexuality in Australia (9 Viewers)

[scarybunny]

Stop trying to sidestep the fact that homosexuality is a choice.

Um. No. Watch that Hungry Beast video. These people have honestly tried to stop being gay. The priest tried for some 20 odd years, he prayed and fasted and read the literature. He got married and had kids and none of it changed the fact that he is attracted to men. I'm sure he would have given anything to be straight.

 

[SeCKSiiMiNh]

Um. No. Watch that Hungry Beast video. These people have honestly tried to stop being gay. The priest tried for some 20 odd years, he prayed and fasted and read the literature. He got married and had kids and none of it changed the fact that he is attracted to men. I'm sure he would have given anything to be straight.

i think what he means is that being a homosexual individual is not a choice. but engaging in homosexual activity is.

 

[scarybunny]

So what if gay people got married but didn't have sex?

 

[SeCKSiiMiNh]

So what if gay people got married but didn't have sex?

well that till wouldn't be allowed since:
(1) it says in the bible that marraige must be between a man and a woman
(2) a homosexual relationship is not one which would lead to the bearing of a child.

 

[mcflystargirl]

well that till wouldn't be allowed since:
(1) it says in the bible that marraige must be between a man and a woman
(2) a homosexual relationship is not one which would lead to the bearing of a child.

but infertile couples can get married. There is nothing wrong with that. Fertile couples can choose not to have children also.

I think to an extend Being gay is a choice. You can chose to love or not to love someone, I can chose not to love a non-christian in a romantic way, i have done this before.

 

[SeCKSiiMiNh]

but infertile couples can get married. There is nothing wrong with that. Fertile couples can choose not to have children also.

Yes I agree, which totally undermines name_taken's argument that people marry to produce children and to ensure the continuation of society.

I think to an extend Being gay is a choice. You can chose to love or not to love someone, I can chose not to love a non-christian in a romantic way, i have done this before.

yes but are you able to force yourself to like another woman?

 

[Name_Taken]

Um. No. Watch that Hungry Beast video. These people have honestly tried to stop being gay. The priest tried for some 20 odd years, he prayed and fasted and read the literature. He got married and had kids and none of it changed the fact that he is attracted to men. I'm sure he would have given anything to be straight.

Sexuality is not set in stone.

People have been able to change. Both ex-heterosexuals and ex-homosexuals exist. A few pages ago, probably a lot now lol, I linked a story of this gay rights activist, who found Christ at around 30 and subsequently got married and is living happily with children. There are plenty of cases of people living with families and then running off with someone of the same sex as them as well.

IDK about the priest in that example, but people have been able to conquer their sexuality.

 

[mcflystargirl]

yes but are you able to force yourself to like another woman?

I never said you had to like the opposite sex.

 

[SeCKSiiMiNh]

I never said you had to like the opposite sex.

you said that being gay is a choice, which means that all homosexuals choose to like those of the same gender. then i asked you if you could like a woman.

once again could you like another woman at will?

 

[mcflystargirl]

I could not, only because i could not stand to live in such sin anymore.

 

[SeCKSiiMiNh]

I could not, only because i could not stand to live in such sin anymore.

so are you a closeted lesbian or what

 

[Durga]

Oh come on Name_Taken! If you're not going to continue your argument, get out of the thread.

 

[mcflystargirl]

so are you a closeted lesbian or what

no way! I am head over heels in love with a guy.

 

[Name_Taken]

Oh come on Name_Taken! If you're not going to continue your argument, get out of the thread.

Wha, where?

 

[SeCKSiiMiNh]

no way! I am head over heels in love with a guy.

could you ever find a girl sexually attractive?

like, could you ever look at a girl and say "mmmh, i'd like to get in bed with that."?

 

[Scorch]

Sexuality is not set in stone.

Nor must it be. There is nothing inherently immoral about homosexuality.

Now. If you would stop spouting your disgusting bile for a second, could you please try and show us why exactly homosexuality is harmful to society or immoral without referring to your homicidal Holy Book?

 

[Name_Taken]

Nor must it be. There is nothing inherently immoral about homosexuality.

Um... yes there is, and morality aside there are many heath risks associated with it.

Now. If you would stop spouting your disgusting bile for a second, could you please try and show us why exactly homosexuality is harmful to society or immoral without referring to your homicidal Holy Book?

Um... show me why homosexuality should be encouraged, in light of its health risks etc.

Simply because it hurts nobody other than those consenting to the act (aside from adoption) is not a reason as to why it is morally acceptable.

Also bear in mind, that even if there were no health risks associated with it, it is not indicative of whether or not it should be acceptable.

Science cannot dictate morality, or what is right or wrong, it can only tell you what "is", and to a certain degree "why" that is the case.

Once again in regards to marriage and adoption, it is up to you to demonstrate benefits. I have no burden of proof whatsoever. In fact, even if I say nothing, it doesn't mean that either should go ahead.

Don't see this as a copout. Go read the last 50 odd pages of this thread, reasons against both marriage and adoption are both numerous and mostly secular in nature.

And please, enough with the Bible criticism, I looked at the first 3 examples you listed in either this or another thread (could have been the God one) and they were all incorrect in their description of God's character. If you actually want to take the fight to scripture, then fine, but don't do so with knowledge of the Bible that is limited to the hits attained from googleing "bible contradictions".

Moral relativism is inherintly flawed, and so, what is trully moral or immoral as the case may be, cannot be determined without an appeal to scripture.

 

[Scorch]

Um... yes there is, and morality aside there are many heath risks associated with it.

No there are not. Scientific source please.

Once again in regards to marriage and adoption, it is up to you to demonstrate benefits. I have no burden of proof whatsoever. In fact, even if I say nothing, it doesn't mean that either should go ahead.

"Show me why we should oppress the rights and freedoms of people that do nothing wrong by society without any credible risks to health, safety or society whatsoever. It is up to you to show me why we shouldn't do so."

"Show me why blacks and whites should be allowed to marry, it is up to you to demonstrate the benefits."

"Show me why homosexuality shouldn't be criminal, it is up to you to demonstrate the benefits."

No it isn't. Yours is the case that doesn't stand up to scientific reasoning.

And please, enough with the Bible criticism, I looked at the first 3 examples you listed in either this or another thread (could have been the God one) and they were all incorrect in their description of God's character. If you actually want to take the fight to scripture, then fine, but don't do so with knowledge of the Bible that is limited to the hits attained from googleing "bible contradictions".

I was aware of that site without googling it, and have been enjoying the articles it has to offer for about a year now. Please don't be a tool.

Might I add that since you quite clearly are not fully aware of what the Bible has to say, I am fairly certain that I am more familiar and knowledgeable about your fairytale than you are.

Moral relativism is inherintly flawed, and so, what is trully moral or immoral as the case may be, cannot be determined without an appeal to scripture.

Well if you believe yourself to be enough of a mindless fuckwit that you need a 3000 year old book of fairytales to tell you what is right and wrong, be my guest, but don't foist that mindless ignorance of what the real world has to offer on the rest of us.

 

[NewiJapper]

Homosexual sex has just as many health risks as heterosexual sex. Heterosexual sex also has the added risks of pregnancy and cooties.

 

[scuba_steve2121]

homosexuality is just a harmless mental disability. its along the same lines as autism or down syndrome. however thankfully the only thing it interferes with is your sexual preference.

homos are people they should be able to be homo without any interference from the state.

they should not get special benefits or any affirmative action shit.

and if you hate homo's that's your choice . but be warned that you will get ridiculed by every rational intelligent person for being a barbaric idiot, who loves one of the most poorly written fairy tales in history.

for fucks sake name taken just give up. wtf is wrong with you, were you raped by your homo dad as a child.

you are the kind of person who thinks hes smart because he can quote from his fairytale book and writes ridiculously long posts that are even longer then this, when you don't need to.

get off the forums and go read your fucking bible and stop acting like a fucking retard and just embarrassing yourself.