Yes, that there are so many uneducated people out there, unaware of the realities of the observable universe.Well worldwide, there are more people who believe in God than not, doesn't that tell you something?
Yes, that there are so many uneducated people out there, unaware of the realities of the observable universe.Well worldwide, there are more people who believe in God than not, doesn't that tell you something?
i hate it when athiest suggest christianity forces beliefs on others athiests although a smaller population are more forceful then all christians put together. we dont go around calling people stupidNo there are not. Scientific source please.
"Show me why we should oppress the rights and freedoms of people that do nothing wrong by society without any credible risks to health, safety or society whatsoever. It is up to you to show me why we shouldn't do so."
"Show me why blacks and whites should be allowed to marry, it is up to you to demonstrate the benefits."
"Show me why homosexuality shouldn't be criminal, it is up to you to demonstrate the benefits."
No it isn't. Yours is the case that doesn't stand up to scientific reasoning.
I was aware of that site without googling it, and have been enjoying the articles it has to offer for about a year now. Please don't be a tool.
Might I add that since you quite clearly are not fully aware of what the Bible has to say, I am fairly certain that I am more familiar and knowledgeable about your fairytale than you are.
Well if you believe yourself to be enough of a mindless fuckwit that you need a 3000 year old book of fairytales to tell you what is right and wrong, be my guest, but don't foist that mindless ignorance of what the real world has to offer on the rest of us.
and i hate it when christians allow their beliefs to affect the laws which is meant to serve and protect society.i hate it when athiest suggest christianity forces beliefs on others athiests although a smaller population are more forceful then all christians put together. we dont go around calling people stupid
No, instead you refer to us as 'unenlightened,' which is essentially the same thing.i hate it when athiest suggest christianity forces beliefs on others athiests although a smaller population are more forceful then all christians put together. we dont go around calling people stupid
LOLNo, instead you refer to us as 'unenlightened,' which is essentially the same thing.
Worshipping an idol is as bad as not believing.Name_Taken, most people do believe in a God, but this God is not the Judeo-Christian God.
No, you guys don't call people stupid, merely stand in the way of progress and equality for people that are doing absolutely nothing wrong except according to your Holy Book, which is both scientifically and ethically wrong on many fronts, and call them and their actions unnatural and link them to drug use and other such pseudo-scientific bullshit.i hate it when athiest suggest christianity forces beliefs on others athiests although a smaller population are more forceful then all christians put together. we dont go around calling people stupid
To be honest there are Gods out there with just as much evidence for their existence as yours that don't slaughter children and condone rape and such, like this Ahura-Mazda, to whom your God is closely related and was then made a lot nastier.Worshipping an idol is as bad as not believing
You said that an entire group of people with a different sexual preference to yours endangered society, raped kids, did drugs, beat their spouses and had a mental illness simply because your Bible says that God doesn't like it. This is a far more insulting and disgusting argument than argued by us."biggoted, homophobic, hateful, bronze-age, genocidal, brainwashing etc etc" religion are capable of being more civil to one another
+1. Nothing more to really say... I find it funny that you (Name_Taken) have the Christian superiority complex - "No, but our God is the one true God!" (In high pitched whiney voice). There is a thread on RichardDawkins.net - The Official Richard Dawkins Website where they're counting up all the Gods mankind has ever created. The current figure is just under 5500...To be honest there are Gods out there with just as much evidence for their existence as yours that don't slaughter children and condone rape and such, like this Ahura-Mazda, to whom your God is closely related and was then made a lot nastier.
You said that an entire group of people with a different sexual preference to yours endangered society, raped kids, did drugs, beat their spouses and had a mental illness simply because your Bible says that God doesn't like it. This is a far more insulting and disgusting argument than argued by us.
As I said, God also says that if you take prisoners of war in battle, you must slaughter the entire male population and may take the women as sexual slaves. Why don't you try and get that legislated? God did say you should.
i don't understand why people are having a go at his degree. first that raif guy now you...ITT: scorch believes that his arts degree gives him scientific and theological superiority
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What is the definition of natural then?No, you guys don't call people stupid, merely stand in the way of progress and equality for people that are doing absolutely nothing wrong except according to your Holy Book, which is both scientifically and ethically wrong on many fronts, and call them and their actions unnatural and link them to drug use and other such pseudo-scientific bullshit.
I wouldn't think that would be the case, afterall all behaviours are equal aren't they?You said that an entire group of people with a different sexual preference to yours endangered society, raped kids, did drugs, beat their spouses and had a mental illness simply because your Bible says that God doesn't like it. This is a far more insulting and disgusting argument than argued by us.
Your ignorance of Christianity might be forgiven if you weren't so up yourself and took such passages out of context and then then toted them of proof of your totally misguided worldview.As I said, God also says that if you take prisoners of war in battle, you must slaughter the entire male population and may take the women as sexual slaves. Why don't you try and get that legislated? God did say you should.
Ahh, but those common natural occurances result in unnecessary and unjustified deaths. Homosexuality does not. The reason we are saying homosexuality is natural, is in response to you first stating that it is not.What is the definition of natural then?
If it something observed in nature, and then following an appeal to nature, such "natural" behaviour should be treated as acceptable, then murder, rape cannibalism, infantcide etc etc are all common natural occurances.
Now, in response to those studies:Mate, you asked for studies, I gave you studies. Furthermore, you didn't provide studies of your own in the first place, or ones which countered the findings of the ones I posted. In other words I have substanciated my statements, and you haven't.
EDIT: Not to mention the fact I have put up with your total ignorance of my religion and numerous unjustified personal attacks.
Great strawman argument.... No one ever said all behaviours are equal, we're saying they need to be analysed with respect to the harm they cause to society. Homosexuality does minimal, if any harm.I wouldn't think that would be the case, afterall all behaviours are equal aren't they?
That is not what repeated studies in all those areas are suggesting.
Are you by chance in favour of the death sentence? Torture? Rape for the crime of living in a land that was promised to someone else by their sky man (and you had no idea of this)? Is the murder and rape of innocent men, women and children warranted by the fact that these people were 'the scum of the Earth?' Could you please explain firstly why they are the scum of the Earth, and secondly why that would warrant the murdering and raping of them (and their innocent, albeit scum-like animals)?Your ignorance of Christianity might be forgiven if you weren't so up yourself and took such passages out of context and then then toted them of proof of your totally misguided worldview.
Its like saying, well in Australian law, it says that members of the armed forces are able to use lethal force in combat operations. Omg, that means Australian law legalises murder! What a horrible country, where people are allowed to kill each other, legally
God told the Iraelistes to do those things, not me. An if you actually bothered reading the Bible you would know that those God commanded the Israelites to conquer were the scum of the Earth and merited their own destruction.
You define it, you guys are the ones throwing the term about. I personally hold the word to be meaningless in the context.What is the definition of natural then?
How convenient, that when he uses an appeal to nature it is wrong, but, when you do the same...If it something observed in nature, and then following an appeal to nature, such "natural" behaviour should be treated as acceptable, then murder, rape cannibalism, infantcide etc etc are all common natural occurances.
I see it as a valid point.
Well actually my position as a human being that was given a rational mind and my conscious choice to evaluate the evidence, rather than being a slave to a sadistic, invisible man gives me a proper understanding of the real world, as opposed to fantasies and fairytales.ITT: scorch believes that his arts degree gives him scientific and theological superiority
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I asked for credible, scientific studies, you gave me outdated studies that are poorly researched and poorly compiled, which is the reason that the scientific community regards your ideas as utter bullshit.Mate, you asked for studies, I gave you studies. Furthermore, you didn't provide studies of your own in the first place, or ones which countered the findings of the ones I posted. In other words I have substanciated my statements, and you haven't.
I am not ignorant in the slightest about your religion. I actually know more about it than you, having read your arguments about the Bible.EDIT: Not to mention the fact I have put up with your total ignorance of my religion and numerous unjustified personal attacks.
Gay? No, actually. I just find myself severely frustrated by stupid people and stupid people and religious people tend to overlap very frequently.hey scorch are you one of us?
Ily Scorch!I am not ignorant in the slightest about your religion. I actually know more about it than you, having read your arguments about the Bible.
Man I love it when Christians use the 'Out of Context' Card. It seems to solve all their problems.Your ignorance of Christianity might be forgiven if you weren't so up yourself and took such passages out of context and then then toted them of proof of your totally misguided worldview.
Seems to be one of the only cards they use these days...Titburger said:Man I love it when Christians use the 'Out of Context' Card. It seems to solve all their problems.