Homosexuality in Australia (14 Viewers)

[Name_Taken]

My god you are so uneducated or just choose not to say stuff. Under what moral framework? The religious one, not the societal one.

Our society's morals are simply watered down versions of the original Christian ones, amirite?

 

[Kwayera]

No, because it teaches people that; OMGOSH GUYS SIN IS SO GREAT and NATURAL!!!111!!!eleventy!!1

If you believe in sin. You still are under the misguided assumption that everyone is Christian, or every Christian should follow your extremely warped, cruel, and bigoted version of it.

Murder and rape occur in nature, they should be legisated for as well? And homosexuality (as it occurs in humans) being an exclusive preference to individuals of the same gender has not been found in nature.

Murder and rape infringe on the rights of others. Homosexuality does not. The next time you equate them, I will officially declare you to have lost the argument.

No other animals have an exclusive preference, largely because no other animals have the capability for love and relationships we do. "Occuring in nature" also means occuring in humans throughout history, in a significantly large proportion of the population (~10%).

No it's me objecting to being asked to absorb and believe whole lot of rubbish.

Rubbish? According to your religion. Which we don't believe in. Do you think evolution is rubbish too? Gravity? Germ theory?

I havn't told anyone that they are going to go to Hell, nor do I want anyone to have to go to Hell. Ultimately however it is their choice to make. It is never too late to be saved.

You say that homosexuality (the physical aspect of it) is a sin, and sinners go to hell. Therefore, according to you and yours, homosexuals are going to hell.

People tend to take that repetitive claptrap personally because it essentially means you're judging them, and making them into less of a human being than you are.

Judge not lest ye be judged.

I'm not belittling anyone here, and I am hardly denying anyone their rights. I'm sorry if thats how you feel about it, but if you think thats why I am here you have missed the point.

You support the belittling of them (saying it's unnatural, wrong, disgusting, shouldn't be promoted, etc ect). You support denying them the right to adopt, to marry, and if you were pressed you'd probably support denying them the same health care benefits as heterosexuals (i.e. because higher rates of AIDS/STIs in first world countries, something they bring upon themselves, etc).

In short, you support denying them rights as a human being that are afforded to heterosexuals. You support making them a lesser kind of citizen.

Has it occured to you that possibly you appear just as much a bigot in the supporting of your own self worshiping sinful agenda in my mind, as I might be speaking about the Truth in yours?

"A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices."

Read that description again, and then call me a bigot.

I won't pretend eradicating all evil in this world wouldn't be nice, however it is an impossbility. Don't think that homosexuality is the only evil, or that it even is a "major" one.

You think homosexuality is evil.

EVIL.

Immoral by God. I wasn't the one who in the beginning decided it was wrong. And if I judge people on the basis of their sin, I would very likely hate everyone, including myself.

I don't think just becuase a person is gay, or has homosexual sex that they are a bad, or evil person at all (one of my school friends is gay for crying out loud). One hardly has to be a bad person to do bad things and make mistakes.

"Oh but my best friend is gay/black/Mexican/a woman!"

Waa waa stop belittiling me.

Honestly, you have used more personal attacks in this post than I have so far in this discussion. Please stop accusing me of being the insensitive one.

You crossed the line.

 

[BlackDragon]

There are certainly religious elements to societal moral codes but no they aren't at all. You must understand that societal moral codes aren't religious ones at all. They exist separately and can be that which the society wants them to be. Therefore to argue that they are the same as the religious ones is wrong. Moreover, it is the trend today the homosexuality and homosexual unions are being given equal place to all other types of relationships, so you are wrong on two levels.

 

[Kwayera]

Our society's morals are simply watered down versions of the original Christian ones, amirite?

No, they're not. But we've been over this.

 

[Iron]

There are certainly christian elements to societal moral codes but you must understand that societal moral codes aren't religious ones at all. They exist separately and can be that which the society wants them to be. Therefore to argue that they are the same as the religious ones is wrong. Moreover, it is the trend today the homosexuality and homosexual unions are being given equal place to all other types of relationships, so you are wrong on two levels.

So much dumb.

He said theyre not the same. He said they are watered down versions. He is right.

Name-taken, this thread was the love child of my conversion but youre welcome to share the wickedness and snares of our enemies m8

 

[Will Shakespear]

Homosexuality is a lifestyle,

fucking no it's not

stop repeating bigoted religious propaganda

your sexual preferences says NOTHING about your lifestyle

 

[BlackDragon]

He said theyre not the same. He said they are watered down versions.

But this is the point, they aren't the same and they are becoming less so. They are completely different.

 

[Iron]

Yeah it says that you want the public to know that youre a homosexual rather than denying such vicious dark thoughts forever and ever. It's a lifestyle m8

btw, are you a homosexual will shakespear?

 

[BlackDragon]

Yeah it says that you want the public to know that youre a homosexual rather than denying such vicious dark thoughts forever and ever. It's a lifestyle m8

btw, are you a homosexual will shakespear?

In the same way that religion is a lifestyle? He's right a person's sexuality has nothing to do with their lifestyle. That's like arguing all heterosexuals are the same.

 

[Iron]

But this is the point, they aren't the same and they are becoming less so. They are completely different.

No decent society can avoid the call of Christ. It serves Him whether it wants to or not. By making martyrs of us our message shines brightest; by devoting itself to truth and goodness and justice, it affirms its proper character - to respect the dignity of life.

 

[Iron]

In the same way that religion is a lifestyle?

Man is inherently religious. The desire to find God is a universal one occurring across cultures and times.
Man really only wants to praise God and is encouraged to do so because we are made for God and are restless until we find Him

The world and man both show that they contain within themselves neither their first principle nor their final end, but rather they are merely participants in Being, which alone is without origin or end. Thus man can become satisfied that there is a reality which is the first cause and final end of all things – God. Therefore we can be satisfied within ourselves that God exists.

 

[loquasagacious]

Same-sex Marrriage | Proposition 8 California | Theodore Olson

"Conservatives should celebrate same-sex union, not lament it"

 

[Name_Taken]

If you believe in sin. You still are under the misguided assumption that everyone is Christian, or every Christian should follow your extremely warped, cruel, and bigoted version of it.

I never said you had to believe. I'm not going to force you to believe either.

Faith is your choice.

And its not cruel for crying out loud, stop acting as if you're the victim here! We are both sinners, we are both guilty of promoting evil.

Murder and rape infringe on the rights of others. Homosexuality does not. The next time you equate them, I will officially declare you to have lost the argument.

No other animals have an exclusive preference, largely because no other animals have the capability for love and relationships we do. "Occuring in nature" also means occuring in humans throughout history, in a significantly large proportion of the population (~10%).

I never equated homsexuality and murder/rape, I merely drew parallels with them to demonstrate to you that simply because animals may indulge in something does not make it a justifiable action/choice for us.

Just so you know, its not 10% either. The more accurate estimates are closer to 4%, look it up.

The figure was inflated as a dishonest attempt to gain appeal and demand legitimacy for the homosexual agenda, something that even most "pro-gay" organisations (for lack of a better word) have admitted.

Rubbish? According to your religion. Which we don't believe in. Do you think evolution is rubbish too? Gravity? Germ theory?

I believe evolution is a theory which currently has strong evidence to support it, nothing more at this stage. I do not reject its merits.

Once again I'm not forcing you to believe anything, merely expressing my views, which I am entitled to do (as you are).

You say that homosexuality (the physical aspect of it) is a sin, and sinners go to hell. Therefore, according to you and yours, homosexuals are going to hell.

Please, a few pages ago, you boasted that you probably knew more about my religion than I do...

All people are sinners (and all sin is equally as bad in His eye's). Not all people go to Hell, go figure. Just because you sin, does not mean you go to Hell. Do you know anything about my religion?

People tend to take that repetitive claptrap personally because it essentially means you're judging them, and making them into less of a human being than you are.

Judge not lest ye be judged.

I have not judged anyone on this thread who says they're gay. And you shouldn't judge us for being Chirstian.

This is where your comparison to me being like a rascist is flawed. I don't think I am any better than you. I am just as imperfect. We are the same, except I do not take pride in my imperfections and sin.

You support the belittling of them (saying it's unnatural, wrong, disgusting, shouldn't be promoted, etc ect). You support denying them the right to adopt, to marry, and if you were pressed you'd probably support denying them the same health care benefits as heterosexuals (i.e. because higher rates of AIDS/STIs in first world countries, something they bring upon themselves, etc).

In short, you support denying them rights as a human being that are afforded to heterosexuals. You support making them a lesser kind of citizen.

Homosexuality is evil, and it shouldn't be promoted, as is sex outside of marriage and other immoral acts.

How is giving gay people and gay couples equal rights under the law either discriminatory or a breach of their human rights? Just because I don't change the definition of the word "marriage" to suit things which it should not encompass does not constitute a breach of your rights.

An element of personal responsibility should of course be present, people must accept that homosexual sex poses a significant health risk to the individual, as do other choices such as smoking or w.e. If they choose to do it anyway however, I'm not going to stop them.

I believe everyone should have access to adeuqate healthcare, regardless if they're gay, straight, obese, a smoker or drug addict. Stop making assumptions that I am just a greedy, selfish hardcore right wing relgious fanatic, when I do not make such misinformed assumptions about you. And to think you tell me not to judge people.

"A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices."

Read that description again, and then call me a bigot.

In the most polite and uninsulting way possible; yes, you're a bigot.

You think homosexuality is evil.

EVIL.

Yes it is. Get over it.

But if it makes you feel better, I will admit that I am just as much a force of evil in this world as you are.

"Oh but my best friend is gay/black/Mexican/a woman!"

It shows I in fact don't judge people based on their sexuality, despite what you think.

And it is just as applicable (and ridiculous) for me to say by extension that since you are "pro-gay" that you are also pro-incest, pro-beastaility and other perversions, as it is for you to say because I am "anti-gay", that I am also a racist, and chauvanist.

You crossed the line.

How?! I even said please for Pete's sake.

-.-

 

[ClockworkSoldier]

No-one is going to get anywhere, like many people have stated, this thread is futile and circular.

It doesn't help that most people in here are as stubborn as you could possibly imagine and reject all view other than their own. This is on both sides.

 

[Name_Taken]

But this is the point, they aren't the same and they are becoming less so. They are completely different.

No they are becomming further and further diluted as people abandon the "cruel oppression" of morality out of sheer convenience and in pursuit of more selfish pleasure and "freedom".

 

[badquinton304]

No-one is going to get anywhere, like many people have stated, this thread is futile and circular.

It doesn't help that most people in here are as stubborn as you could possibly imagine and reject all view other than their own. This is on both sides.

Yep thats why I rarely conribute to this thread or to the does god exist thread, whatever you say the thread will always return to the same place.

 

[Iron]

guys, it's the journey not the destination
chill out dawgs

 

[Kwayera]

I'll respond when I'm at less of a "throwing my hands up" state of mind

 

[SnowFox]

What is sin, because last time i heard of it, i fucked it up real badly in FFX.

 

[Absolutezero]

What is sin, because last time i heard of it, i fucked it up real badly in FFX.

lol